The Fossil Record
Dear Bro. Don,
It is certainly true that “there is no room for dogmatism” when the subject of fossils is discussed. Bro. Alan Hayward (Tidings 2/96) makes this doctrinaire statement: “There are so many of these microfossils that, in many places, they form sedimentary beds up to a mile or even more, which must have taken enormous time to accumulate” (emphasis added). However, the strata that formed a few years ago in connection with the eruption of Mount St. Helens proves that sedimentary beds can be formed in a very short time, as a result of a catastrophe, and need not take “enormous time” to accumulate.
Can it really be true that “the days of creation do not demand to be taken literally, as 24-hour periods”? Is the first chapter of Genesis to be taken as figurative; or is it a parable; a poem, perhaps? or did God reveal the wonders of creation to Moses in six literal days?
The terms of the fourth commandment seems to clinch the matter:
“Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God. In it thou shalt not do any work…for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth…and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.”
Would any Israelite, standing at the foot of Mt. Sinai and hearing these words, say to himself, “Oh yes, we are to keep the seventh day of each week holy, because God created the heavens and the earth during six vast geological ages and He has been resting for a seventh vast geological age”?
If the fourth commandment enjoined six literal days of labor and the seventh a literal day of rest, what possible grounds can there be for asserting that the action described in the same verse, “in six days the LORD made the heaven and the earth” is to be calculated on a completely different scale of time or else to be interpreted in a bizarre manner that was not even promoted until about 200 years ago.
If the fourth commandment can be wrested and distorted to convey something entirely different from its obvious, natural meaning, then the door is open to similarly change the ordinary meaning of the other commandments. This of course, is exactly what the humanists have done by substituting situation ethics for “Thou shalt not steal.”
E. W. Farrar, Hamilton, ONT (Unamended)
While we are sure Bro. Farrar had no such intention, the final statement in his letter might convey that anyone not taking his view of the creation matter is a compromiser of God’s moral edicts. We feel certain such an inference was not intended.
Recognizing Bible idiom
We feel the Bible record of Genesis I is written the way it is to convey the grand plan of God with this dispensation and to highlight certain aspects of God’s creative actions. And the sabbath law is given with respect to the way the Bible record is supplied.
Consider Genesis 1:16-17: the Bible record has the stars being created on the fourth day. Does Bro. Farrar believe the universe was utterly nothing from the beginning of time until 6,000 years ago? To us, it is unthinkable that God, who is creative, and ingenious far beyond mortal man would be doing nothing until just recently. Further Job 38:7 intimates the celestial bodies existed when the Adamic creation as described in Genesis I began.
The same idea of arranging the Bible record to suggest a deeper point is evident in the Melchisedec matter and the issues alluded to in Romans 5:13-14. A full examination of the point must be postponed for the moment.
Genesis 1 as a preview of the Adamic creation
We would suggest the following idea is useful in reading the creation narrative:
Day one separation of light and darkness = 4,000 B.C. to 3,000 B.C. the sons of God (light) were separated from the wicked (darkness).
Day two dominated by water = 3,000 B.C. to 2,000 B.C. dominated by the flood.
Day three = 2,000 B.C. to 1,000 B.C. dominated by separation of Israel (earth) from nations (seas) with Israel (the earth) to bring forth fruit with nations (seas) unproductive until day five.
Day four = 1,000 B.C. to 0 B.C. dominated by prominent individuals (kings and prophets) who were to bring order in their areas of influence as were the sun, moon and stars.
Days five and six = the A.D. period when the Gentiles (seas) and Jews (earth) were to be productive in bringing forth creatures to God culminating in those to whom dominion would be given (the faithful saints).
Thus we conclude Exodus 20:11 is intended to be read as follows: “[The Bible record reads] for six days the LORD made heaven and earth…” rather than being a proof positive that nothing existed until 6,000 years ago.
The Age of the Earth
Dear Bro. Don,
I am reluctant to wade into controversies over the age of the earth. Bro. Alan Hayward in one of his books made the point about the amount of time it takes to research and answer arguments in these scientific areas. How very true this is! But I feel at least some observations must be made about his arguments.
Bro. Alan argues that Bible passages referring to a “carnivore-free creation” are “easily capable of a figurative interpretation.” I suspect he may be referring to Isaiah 11 and 65. But this argument must also apply equally to the following: “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so” (Gen. 1:29-30).
There are significant implications if these words are taken literally, and, there are equally significant (though different) implications if these words are taken figuratively.
If Genesis 1:29-30 is taken literally, one is forced to conclude that animals as God originally created them on the “sixth day” ate only vegetation. If they had carnivore-type teeth, then one would have to surmise they used them to tear up and devour some kind of dense foliage God provided for their “meat” (somewhat like the panda today whose carnivore-type teeth are used to eat bamboo). One is also led to conclude from the Genesis record that the carnivore activity now apparent in the animal kingdom, and reflected in the fossil record (not so much in the teeth as in the teeth marks on fossil bones), did not occur until after the sin of man. (One other observation can be made: If Genesis 1 is literal, then Isaiah 11 and 65 whatever symbolical aspects are intended, is also a promise of the restoration of creation to the condition God originally intended for it)
What are the implications of these observations? There are two possibilities: 1) Genesis 1 is literally true and the paleontologists’ arguments for the great age of fossils (as well as the evolutionary sequence they apply to them) is wrong, or 2) the paleontologists are right and Genesis 1 cannot be taken literally. (The third option is unacceptable to any Bible believer, namely that paleontologists have it right and the Bible is false.)
Bro. Alan rejects the former conclusion because he believes the evidence for millions of years of life on earth is “overwhelming.”
But what are the implications of taking the words of Genesis 1:29-30 figuratively? I believe the implications are profound: If vs. 29-30 are figurative, why not the rest of chapter 1? Was there a real man and woman created or was “man” just a figure for some race of people God set apart for Himself, and the animals, other, inferior nations with whom God had no direct interest? And what about chapters 2 and 3? Are the sin of Adam and subsequent consequences also figurative? Is any part of Genesis literally true?
Is it not evident that if plain Bible words (where there is absolutely no indication of figurative or symbolic language as in some prophecies) must be forced into a figurative mold because of current scientific theories and their “overwhelming evidence,” that maybe the problem is not with the Bible, but with the “evidence”?
I am amazed how often the Bible is subjected to intensive examination and re-evaluation because of some “evidence,” rather than the other way around. The one good thing that can be said about the Institute for Creation Research in California (ICR not CRS) is its willingness to critically examine this evidence. One may not always agree with their findings, but one cannot help but respect their attitude toward the Bible.
Just one example of such work: It was ICR scientists that did the first extensive evaluation of the aftermath of the Mount St. Helens eruption (the volcano that literally blew off its top in 1980). Their research on the formation of a mini-Grand Canyon in the southern region of the area by a devastating slurry of melted snow, dirt and rock has caused the complete re-evaluation of the formation of the Grand Canyon (it is now believed that similar catastrophic processes, not millions of years of weathering, formed this large canyon). They also discovered a 25foot-thick deposit of lamina (clearly defined thin layers of deposited material). Current scientific theory would have suggested that the hundreds of layers observed were the result of thousands of years of slow deposition. Yet this deposition of lamina occurred in less than five hours!
The point? Evidently there are other ways of interpreting sedimentary evidence, ways which do not involve millions of years, and therefore do not require the rejection of a straightforward reading of plain Bible narratives.
Ted Sleeper, San Mateo, CA
The literality of Genesis 1 to 3 is not an either/or matter. From other scripture we know Adam was “formed,” he was not born of parents, Eve was made second being derived from Adam (I Cor. 11:8; 15:45; I Tim. 2:13) and a literal serpent beguiled Eve (II Cor. 11:3). From observation we know flora and fauna are “after their kind” with built-in barriers that cannot be crossed. On the other hand, some of the language is figurative: Sun and moon do not “rule” (Gen. 1:1618) in a literal sense and God did not literally “rest” (2:2-3) as all that was made must be sustained on the seventh day.
We prefer Bro. Thomas’ suggestion that the reader should “peruse the history of the creation as a revelation to himself as an inhabitant of the earth… The Mosaic account is not a revelation to the inhabitants of other orbs remote from the earth of the formation of the boundless universe; but to man, as a constituent of the terrestrial system. This will explain why light is said to have been created four days before the sun, moon, and stars” (Elpis Israel, Chapter 2, 2nd paragraph) the creation account is written from the perspective of an observer on the earth and is worded to provide a cameo summary of this present epoch (see comments above following letter by Bro. Farrar.)
Dear Bro. Don,
I was not aware that there was such a number of scholarly Christadelphians who took the 6,000 years of creations with such a large grain of salt. I really thought that I was one of few who questioned it, albeit I never went so far as to consider “millions of years” for our own little dispensation.
How do those who believe in a recent, carnivore-free creation deal with the fossil evidence? As a novice among these experts in fossil history, I hesitate to express my opinions, but I do not see any connection between dinosaurs and our creation. This “carnivore-free creation,” the dispensation within which we all live, birthed 6,000 years ago. How long is a day? a year? God knows. This is immaterial because our “little” creation is an entity unto itself. We are not concerned with the time period(s) before or after it. I have always had difficulty dealing with a 6,000 year creation of EARTH; I have no problem dealing with 6,000 years dispensation upon it.
If it is agreed that dinosaurs are from a previous era, the fact that they were meat eaters is a moot point. The dispensation that began with Adam is the one under discussion, and I reiterate my statement that, according to Genesis, had there been carnivorous animals at the dawn of “our creation,” the creation would not have been “very good.” It’s future sentence would already have been determined. In my untutored historical mind, I choose to accept the fact that a “special creation in search of a people fit for the Lord” in the middle of millions of years of motley inhabitants on this planet is more acceptable than stretching the Adamic creation back to infinity.
I do agree that many Bible passages are figurative. However, in many cases these are of a literal nature also — frequently dual prophesies. Bear in mind that when debating scripture with the “evangelicals,” if all we have to offer to their many interpretations is “that is figurative,” it is comparable to debating “supernatural mysteries” with a Roman Catholic, with the shoe on the other foot!
Unfortunately I have not read Creation and Evolution; it sounds fascinating and I will add it to my wish list. Absolutely no question about the fact that God is not, would not be, the author of a lie by creating fake fossils!
J.B. Telford, PA
There is nothing prohibiting the existence of dinosaurs in this 7,000 year dispensation. The extended life-span during the first 2,000 years suggests the prevalence of some radically different conditions. On the other hand, to my knowledge, no evidence has positively proven man and dinosaurs co-existed.
It is important to maintain our perspective that scripture deals with that which concerns us and the gracious opportunity for salvation that God has provided (Deut. 29:29).