Individual Cup

Dear Bro. Don,

The various letters that have appeared in the “Christadelphian Tidings”

regarding the communal cup concern infections that might be caught by the use of a common cup. I have noted that some have strong objections to the use of individual cups. However, an individ­ual cup has been used for an entirely different reason than for the spreading of infections.

There has been a case, more than one I believe, when a rehabilitated alcoholic has been converted to our faith. This new member would have to drink the blood of the grape in an unfermented condition. The alternative to an individual cup would be some, or preferably all, the members of the meeting drinking unfermented grape juice.

With brotherly love,
Harry Perks, Stayner, ONT

Reasons For Resigning

(The following letters are depressing. They may provide useful insights, however, so that similar situations can be dealt with as they are developing and not allowed to come to the point of someone leaving the community.)

Dear Editor:

As a person who considers herself a former Christadelphian, I read with interest John Sommerville’ s letter to the editor entitled, “The Blight of Family Breakups.” I, too, left my husband after many years of marriage, but it wasn’t because we did not read the daily word to or pray together or because we failed to attend the breaking of bread or other ecclesial functions. The reason I left was because all these ecclesial functions took up so much time there was no time to discuss the real problems of daily living.

I resented feeling that it was my “duty” to have dinner on the table every Tuesday night so that my God-fearing husband could come, literally, running in the door, eat the meal after a quick word of prayer, bury his nose in a Christadelphian magazine while he ate, then expect everything to be ready so that we could leave only to be late for Bible class. I resent the fact that many times) got up on Sunday morning an hour before he did, made preparations for the day while he had a 45-minute shower and then have him wonder why we were always late for Sunday school.

Did we ever talk about how we felt about the way we lived? No! Because he felt that things were going just fine and nothing needed to be said. I burned, but it wasn’t from sexual lust, it was from plain lack of concern or caring.

John comes close to the truth when he says that “married people may forget that their spouse is a gift from God,not just another person.” But the truth is that the couple may not even see their spouse as another person at all. He or she might be seen impersonally as a nagger, lazy, having too much time on his hands so he can spend more time thinking up new problems. Instead of spending time discussing the problems and trying to fix them, the time is spent arguing about them, or not facing them at all. Church activities are an excellent excuse for not having time to discuss the real issues that cause a marriage to break down.

Another of John’ s comments was that, “Prayer should be a daily part of our life, but prayer will not mean much if we lack the understanding of the greatness of God that only comes from His word.” Understanding the greatness of God was never the issue for me. Verbal abuse that belittled me as a sister-in-Christ was. Lack of respect for each other, as male and female , husband and wife, that undermines the self-esteem of either party will break down the bonds of marriage quicker than any force imposed upon it from the outside.

Paul writes in Ephesians, “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husband in my growing up that meant the wife was slapped around and verbally abused. As a result, my mother slapped around and verbally abused her children. As the oldest, I was the one responsible for setting the “perfect” example that all the other children should emulate. But the Bible says, “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.” It just happened that my idea of “my Lord” was different from my husband’s, so I left.

I do believe John to be wrong when he states, “Many feel no obligation to consider God in the things they do, so every man does that which is right in his own eyes.” God has greatly blessed me in my choice to leave. I no longer live in fear for my spiritual or physical life. I no longer feel that I am on the constant verge of a nervous breakdown and that suicide is my only option (if God would not want me in His kingdom, anyway, why spend the rest of my life trying). I thank God almost every day for a second chance to have a warm, spiritual relationship with Him.

Sincerely,
(name withheld)

Dear All,

Many of you know me. ..To this day, there is no one who can say a word against my intelligence, my dedication, my discipline, or my love of Truth.. .I ceased attendance of ecclesial functions in the late summer of 1991 out of disgust with the pervasive attitude of Christadelphians toward non-Christadelphians.

Let’s put the matter plainly: What did Jesus say? Forget the bales of obscure prophetic study, the endless, canned marginal notes, the lame Greek-Dictionary exegesis, and the flood-tide of stupefyingly similar audio cassettes (none of which, incidentally, sufficed to drive me away) –what did the man say? Love your neighbor as yourself

To love my neighbor as myself! need at least two things: humanity and empathy. Love is the essence of the teaching of Jesus Christ and to love someone I need to understand them. Understanding is part of the essence of Christianity. What makes a person tick? How do our neighbors see things? People in general, even when they exhibit non-Christlike behavior, are not doing it out of malice or stupidity. Their actions really make sense to them. If we would love them, we should understand things from their point of view. How else are we going to do them any real good? Before we can share with them the beauty of Jesus’ teaching, we have to let them share with us how they see things…we have to communicate.. .So what do we see Christadelphians doing?…We see the most visible, exemplary Christadelphians acting as if they are afraid of any non-­Christadelphian ideas, and carrying out a very visible social separation from non-Christadelphians.

You who read this might well object: but I’m not like that, and Bro . A isn’t like that, and Sister Y isn’t like that. No! There are still lots of Christadelphians who are good disciples and can actually carry on a conversation or fix a motorcycle or attend a party with their neighbors. But here is what frightens me: Those disciples don’t seem to get any respect. The Christadelphian who is respected and influential spends most of his time with other Christadelphians, thinking only Christadelphian thoughts. This is the impression I got from all the prominent speaking brethren I ever met and from all the mass of Christadelphian periodicals and publications I ever read and from all the Christadelphian functions I ever attended. Having friends in the world– loving one’s neighbors — is not regarded as a sign of health but as a sign of disease.

This all seems based upon the following gross misunderstanding of scripture: assuming that the word “world” = “non-Christadelphian environments… This pervasive assumption…is given the lie by the example of our Lord. He came eating and drinking, a friend of publicans and sinners. No amount of exegesis, no amount of subtle twisting round this declaration or of bringing in irrelevant passages from everywhere else in scripture. ..can deny that Jesus mingled with every sort of person. He didn’t hide his lamp under a bushel.

We should also address the fear of ideas that is pervasive among the Christadelphians. What is its basis? It is widely rumored (among those who knew me) that I have been reading “men’s philosophy.” What a stupid thing to be worried about! If the truth is the truth there is nothing to be feared from new ideas…The Christadelphians are very rational and thorough. How can they not have enough confidence to examine say, modern textual criticism?…

The objection to new ideas (or anything resembling a vibrant mental life) was very nearly put to me this way. “Tom, we have a very good reason to discourage the reading of philosophy: anecdotal evidence strongly suggests that Christadelphians who read philosophy leave their faith.” Well, such an argument can only be regarded with contempt. “Yes,” it says, “I believe with all my heart that this doctrine is the Truth, but I dare not read those books,, or ask those questions, for fear that I might be convinced otherwise, and that’s the last thing in the world that I want.” Such a position is no better than the lowest form of fanaticism.

That’s why I quit. Pervasive functional disagreement with the plain words and example of Jesus Christ and hints of intellectual dishonesty. My conclusion is that there has got to be something wrong with the Christadelphian communities at a very fundamental level. So I am no longer a member of one…

I would be glad to carry on further correspondence at the address below. Tom Price, 5631 Melvin St., Pittsburgh PA 15217

Space does not permit an extensive response, and we hope readers will send letters to both Bro Tom and the magazine addressing the issues.

There are four major points that came to mind when reading the above.

  1. Christadelphians have no difficulty understanding how the non-Christadelphian thinks. Fully 50% of Christadelphians were raised outside the community; they know exactly how they used to think. Others have lapsed from the Truth for a time or have close relatives who are not Christadelphian. Furthermore, Christadelphians and non­-Christadelphians all share the same basic humanity and inherent emotions and ambitions. We thus have plenty (too much, in most cases) of empathy with the “world.”
  2. Jesus did not initiate contact with publicans and sinners. They came to him because they were interested in the gospel of life. The Lord took the initiative in reaching out to the disciples of John the Baptist and in teaching in the temple and synagogues (John 1:39; 2:13­,14; Lk. 4:15-16). He was a friend of publicans and sinners in that he did not reject the repentant among them, but encouraged their sincere interest in following him (Lk. 5:27-30). The inference that Jesus deliberately sought out the worst of sinners and consorted with them is a wrong assertion that arises from a careless reading of the gospels.
  3. Since the unbeliever does not share with the true believer a yearning for the kingdom, a love of the gospel and a desire to follow its principles, the unbeliever often does not care for the company of the believer. The lack of voluntary social association is a mutual matter not just a case of the Christadelphian standing aside. From our own observation, we would say the truth of the matter is that many of us get along much better with people of the world than we probably should.
  4. The problem with filling our minds with a lot of wrong ideas is the time it wastes and a peculiarity of the human mind. Our minds are swayed by what we put in them, even though we may recognize the input as being unprofitable. It is a simple fact of human nature that we are greatly affected by what we read and experience.

Acts 10:28 Unlawful to Eat…

The following was asked at a Bible school question and answer session regarding Acts 10:28.

Where does it say in the Law that “it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation”?

There is no such command in scripture. Rabbinic tradition legislated, however, that a Gentile house was unclean and any Gentile-used utensils or Gentile-prepared food was unclean. Even in a Jewish home, if a Gentile was left alone in a room, all of the food in that room was to be considered unclean (Edersheim, Sketches of Jewish Social Life, pp. 26-28).

The stipulations were an extension of Leviticus 7:19 which speaks of the communal meal associated with the peace offering. Once the regulation was applied to any meal, it was virtually impossible to allow eating with Gentiles. If the Gentile did not keep the Law, they would almost certainly be contaminated in some way as would the food and utensils in their homes; ceremonial contamination could occur by contact with a dead body, unclean animal, blood or human issue and could then be spread to any food or utensil used for eating or cooking (Lev. 5:2-3; 7:19).

From his response to the Lord’s vision, we can infer Peter still observed the dietary and social restrictions of the Law as he understood it. Following that vision on the roof (Acts 10:10-16), Peter would have reason to believe he would be expected to eat with the Gentiles who had summoned him. While Peter did not feel bound by the fanatical traditions of the elders (Mk. 7:2-4), he had evidently concluded that restrictions about eating with Gentiles were a reasonable application of the Law (cf. Gal. 2:11-13).

The Blight of Family Breakups

Dear Bro. Don,

We live in a world where separation and divorce have become a way of life. Such a predominant evil in the world around us is making its influence felt in the Christadelphian brotherhood. We regularly hear of Christadelphian families splitting apart where the closest re­lationship should prevail.

So often we sorrowfully ask our­selves, Why does this happen in the family of God? Of course there are reasons and one of them may well be a lack of knowledge of our relationship to God, or a forgetting of the relationship we once understood.

When a couple pronounce their wedding vow “To love and to cherish till death do us part,” the idea of not keeping that vow seems remote and unbelievable. But as time goes on and the problems of married life increase, that solemn vow can be pushed out of our memory until it is out of sight altogether. The sad thing in our case is that it is not just a vow between man and wife; it is a vow between the person and God.

In many ways, we are related to God as Israel was when they entered the promised land. Israel as a nation failed to realize the land was God’s and only theirs as long as they obeyed His rules and regulations. In the same way, a married couple may forget that their spouse is not just another person; they are a gift from God. It is God that brought them together that they might know and love one another. To despise each other is to despise God. This is a very impor­tant part of married life. In all the difficulties that arise, including those that agitate and anger us, we should always respect our spouse as God’s gift to us. We should react toward each other in a manner that reflects such a realization.

The question is, “How do we keep our understanding of our relationship to God fresh in our minds?”

We have heard the expression, “The family that prays together, stays together.” May we not also say that, “The family that reads God’s word together, stays together.” Prayer should be a daily part of our life, but prayer will not mean much if we lack the understanding of the greatness of God that only comes from His word.

One wonders how many marriages have broken up in those families who daily read the word of God together. Surely the daily reading of God’s word together is without doubt the best spiritual preventive we can have to help us avoid family breakups. No matter how regular we are at attending the breaking of bread and all ecclesial functions, if we do not have a daily feeding of the word, we are going to suffer some spiritual malnutrition. When we neglect God’s word, we lose sight of our relationship to God and our obligation to consider Him in all our actions.

Any thought of a family breakup should be countered with a prayerful consideration of how we have God in the picture. God has preserved His word for us. Laying it aside is an insult to Him in whom we profess to believe. If we want family unity, let us use the best assistance to be found — the word of God.

The world has cast off respect and reverence for God. Many feel no obligation to consider God in the things they do, so every man does that which is right in his own eyes.

This must not be true of us for we are told, “Such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the spirit of God” (1 Cor. 6:11). We are exhorted, “Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water (the water of the word)” (Heb. 10:22).

Sincerely,
John Sommerville, Mission Hills, CA

We share our brother’s deep concern in this matter. The number of family breakdowns in the North American brotherhood is much greater than in other ecclesially developed countries such as Britain, Australia and New Zealand. We have been told this by visiting brethren and personally have enough exposure to know that this is true. Yes, there are cases in ecclesias around the world, but the number of situations is greater here than elsewhere. In addition, we are told that premarital sex is not uncommon in some parts of our North American ecclesial community.

What’s wrong? So far as divine revelation is concerned, we know God’s will in these matters. In other countries, moral standards are lower, atheistic views are more pervasive and the display of nudity is greater. Although we are bombarded by ungodly influences from the world, an important factor may lie within our own community.

Perhaps Bro. Sommerville has put his finger right on the problem. We are not reading the Bible on a daily basis. This much is certain, in the great day of account, excuses will not help; obedience will!

No Simple Answers

Dear Bro. Don,

Loving greetings,

It was somewhat startling to read in the June “Tidings” Bro. Clive Dreps solution to two subjects which have extensively occupied attention over the years. He disposed of divorce and remarriage with a quick quote from Malachi and with the Yahweh name by a rather obscure quote from Judges 13:18.

Bro. Clive is a very well respected brother in his home ecclesial area. As one who believes brethren should understand the Yahweh name and use it -­and not use it if they don’t understand it

I’m puzzled that one of his experience in the Truth believes that there is any weight to simple solutions to such serious and significant subjects. Those of us who have spent hundreds of hours searching the scriptures to try and find answers to the most difficult problem in the brotherhood today — divorce and remarriage — know it is futile to supply any simple solution.

Regarding the name of Yahweh, the Judges quote (Jud. 13:18) is the statement of the angel to Manoah: “Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?” The RV substitutes “wonderful” for “secret,” as in the AV margin. The Hebrew word is only used twice, the second place being Psa. 139:6: “(such) knowledge is too wonderful for me” regarding Yahweh’ s omniscience. A closely related word is rendered “wonderful” in the well-known phrase from Isa.9 :6: “his name shall be called ­wonderful.” Dr. Strong says the word “secret” in Judges means “remarkable.” Yahweh, manifest in the angel says, “My name is wonderful and remarkable!” I would say: Amen!

As Christadelphians, we ought to know, then, there is nothing secret about the Yahweh name — and this is what we would expect when we read: “Extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name YAH, and rejoice before him” (Psa. 68:4). Again, we say, Amen!

H.D. Bartholomew, Vernon, BC

Continuous Historical Disapproved

Dear Bro. Don:

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The collapse and fragmentation of the Soviet Union was nothing less than the smiting of Nebuchadnezzar’ s image upon the feet by the stone from heaven (Dan. 2 :34-35 ,45).

I believe that brethren who tenaciously hold to “the continuous history” theme of interpreting the Revelation are going to be very unpleasantly surprised one day. Brethren who “Watch!” the signs of the present times are more in tune with the unfolding of the Lord’s apocalypse.

The point made by Bro. George Rayner under the heading, “Ongoing division” (“Tidings,” July, 1992 ,p g . 273), should have been printed in bold type. Where else will “the dragon” eventually be incorporated but beneath the “head” with the seven “horns?” (Rev. 12:3).

When the nations in the land of Magog capitulate to the pope’s pleadings, “the dragon” will have put on its “seven heads and ten horns.” The pope will resurrect the Holy Roman Empire when he crowns the ten “horns,” and, he, himself, will wear the “name of blasphemy” upon his own pate (Rev. 13:1).

“The dragon” dominates “the beast” nations, which are ten at the time of the beast’s emergence.

The “beast” of Revelation 13 is soon to emerge from “the sea,” as the enclosed clipping reports (excerpts below). The “another beast” (Rev. 13:11) will come up “out of the land” and will speak with a voice like “a dragon.”

“The great red dragon” is the body of incorporated Roman and Greek Catholic power of which the Roman “leg” for centuries has been known as “the Church.” A careful reading of Revelation 12 will show that the power of “the dragon” is overcome directly by the work of heaven alone, by Michael and his angels, who thrust “the dragon” out into the land for its binding and imprisonment during the millennial rule of Christ.

When Daniel’s whole prophecy is first wisely understood — “he that readeth, let him understand” — the Revelation unfolds into the most beautiful panorama of the last days which pictures the signs of the coming kingdom of the Lord.

What a pity that the majority of Christadelphians read prophetic scriptures with the overlayment of “the con­tinuous history” philosophy which Dr. Thomas added to them.

Sincerely, your sister in Christ,
Lois L. Griffith

Extracts from the Associated Press article appearing in The Philadelphia Inquirer, June 27, 1992 submitted by Sis. Griffith.

Turkey Emerges a Leader

ISTANBUL– Turkey emerged from the 11-nation Black Sea summit that ended here yesterday as an economic leader and peace-maker for the strife-ridden southern republics of the former Soviet Union.

During the two-day summit…the presidents of Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and Romania negotiated a cease-fire in Moldova’s civil war.

Georgian leader Eduard A. Shevardnaze proposed paring down the former Soviet Black Sea fleet to defuse the quarrel between Russia and Ukraine over the powerful armada.

And Turkey persuaded its quarreling neighbors to form a Black Sea Economic Cooperation zone, which it sees as a vehicle for overcoming the region’s bitter ethnic conflicts, including the undeclared war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh.

No guarantees

There were no guarantees that the diplomatic initiatives would succeed…But even if the current initiatives fail, Turkey has established itself as a key bridge from the former Soviet Union to southern Europe and the Middle East.

The new, mostly Muslim countries south of central Russia are attracted to Turkey as a model of both moderate Islamic government and radical economic transformation.

Over the last decade, Turkey has moved from a state-controlled economy to free enterprise. At the same time, it has maintained a secular, democratic society and avoided Iran’s brand of fundamentalist Islam…Turkey is making diplomatic moves in both directions, uniting the Black Sea region and competing against Iran for influence in the former Soviet republics of Asia.

“We have a very simple aim: a big zone of cooperation and prosperity…from the Balkans to central Asia,” Ozdem Sanberk, the number-two official in Turkey’s Foreign Ministry, said…Sanberk said Turkey wanted to “start small” and gradually increase trade among the signatories: six newly independent Soviet republics — Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Azerbaijan and Armenia -­plus the Balkan states of Bulgaria, Albania, Turkey, Greece and Romania.

Bro. Rayner’s Response

Dear Bro. Don,

Greetings in the name of our Master.

We appreciate the interest shown by Sis. Lois and the opportunity of replying to her letter.

The main point of the July “Signs of the Times” column was to demonstrate that current events accentuate the continued applicability of Daniel’s image. The breakup of Yugoslavia, on the heals of that of the Soviet Union, presents conditions that are accurately depicted by iron and clay that will not mix. These, of course, are the materials comprising the feet of the image portrayed in Daniel 2. Furthermore, the conflict in the Balkans highlights the continued division of the area along the lines of eastern and western religions. This is depicted by the two feet of the image. We are watching the signs of the present times and find, more than ever, the continuous historical approach to be justified. The unstable political conditions will continue until Christ comes to establish the kingdom of God. This is clearly the message of the stone smiting the image and growing into a kingdom that fills the whole earth.

If that which the image represents has been shattered, where is Christ? Where is the kingdom? Since the Lord has not yet returned, it cannot be the case that the fragmentation of the Soviet Union fulfills this aspect of the prophecy.

Revelation 12 and 13 are without doubt very difficult chapters to under-stand. They cannot, however, apply to the destruction of modern nations by the angels or by Christ and the saints. And they cannot apply to the restraint of human political power during the kingdom.

Consider the following two clear points. 1) Those who overthrow the power depicted by the dragon “loved not their lives unto the death” (Rev. 12:11). Some of them die. Angels do not die neither do immortalized saints. 2) The power depicted by the dragon does not cease to exist. In fact, it continues to exercise vast power. Its sphere of operation and influence is changed but it continues to persecute the woman and gives power to the beast of the sea who overcomes the followers of Christ (Rev. 12:13; 13:7). That is certainly not a description of what will happen in the kingdom.

The series by Bro. Joseph Banta has recently documented historical events that allow us to understand these chapters. This serves to confirm the continuous-historical understanding of prophecy which view helps us see how close we are to the return of Christ.

Your brother in Christ,
George Rayner

Help For Depression

Dear Bro. Don

In reply to “two concerned Chris­tadelphians:”

Please note: I did not advocate refraining from “medical help” where needed. This should not be confused with seeking help from a psychiatrist or psychologist. Psychology, according to Webster’ s Dictionary, is “the science dealing with the mind and with mental and emotional processes and the science of human and animal behavior” …(From my experience:)

  1. They (some professionals in the field) have admitted that they couldn’t cure any of their patients and could only sedate them and keep them under the influence of drugs as a means of control.
  2. To this day professionals in the field of psychology have a difficult time in agreeing on rudimentary terms governing their profession, quite unlike most sciences. Since Freud, the world has gone catastrophically into a humanistic abyss from which there is no deliverance outside of Christ.
  3. The epitome of modern psychol­ogy is, “don’ tfeel guilty, do what’s right for you. You’re a product of your envi­ronment, so please yourself.” Remove guilt, and you remove a healthy con­science, the only means by which God works through His word and His laws to restore and redeem the soul to sanity and salvation.

Depression was mentioned in the context where one may fail to find comfort or consultation in the brotherhood. Someone said that depression is the valley between two great mountains, the Carnal Mind on one side and the Spirit Mind on the other. And (it is said) one gets depressed when he or she pleases neither one nor the other. If we become filled with the word, healing takes place. If we become filled with the world, flesh is no longer depressed. Nevertheless, we have made our choice at baptism. If we want to experience the reality depicted in the parable of the man whose house (mind) was swept clean and went to dry places, only to find upon his return that there had entered into his house (mind) seven demons, more than at first,we only have to visit the witch of Endor of Psychology (Lk. 11:24-26). If we are faithful to confess our sins, however, God is faithful to remove the de­pression from us. (Note: the man in the parable went to “dry” places — worldly TV, radio, stereo and magazines, John 4:14).

Depression is a warning that we must decide who we want to serve.

It has been our experience as we attended many Christian churches before becoming a Christadelphian, that, since Christianity has lost the true Gospel, they need preachers with knowledge of psychology in order for them to “herd” the flock as opposed to “leading” the sheep as does the True Shepherd. This is verified by the fact that many authors of Christian books advertise their degrees in Psychology.

My remedy for depression is to read Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the daily readings and Elpis Israel pages 88-100 and 126-142. When defining terms, Bro. Thomas has the unique ability of making one think through a principle so that it finds a place in the heart that seeks understanding. Of course, there are many other excellent helps. In the end, as a sister said, Yahweh is our psychologist. If we go to a worldly psychologist for help, what can we expect from our Maker, our, Redeemer ,Yahweh Ropheka — “Yahweh is our healer” (Ex. 15:26).

“And (God) said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee” (Ex. 15:26).

Yours sincerely in His name,
Peter Kurtis, Armstrong, BC

We have found the exchange of views on this matter to be useful. Following is our summary of the discussion that has transpired:

There have been marked advances in the diagnosis of some mental problems. It has been discovered that some are rooted in physical conditions that can be treated by appropriate medications.

In most cases, making the diagnosis and prescribing the medicine requires a medical doctor. A psychiatrist is a medical doctor trained in the diagnosis and treatment of mental disorders and is licensed to prescribe medicines. When a psychiatrist prescribes medicine to correct a chemical imbalance, the patient is receiving “medical help.” The continual bracketing of psychiatrists with psychologists confuses the matter and contributes to some unnecessary disagreement on this issue. Furthermore, it is irrelevant that a person may be on medicine for years to control the symptoms of depression. Many of us are in such a situation for problems of allergies, glaucoma, etc.

There is nothing unscriptural, as such, in using medicine to treat ailments. No Bible passages exclude such a course. To the contrary, expecting God to cure us when we refuse to use available sources of help is much like expecting Him to feed us when we refuse to till the ground and plant the seed.

The spiritual problem arises when we fail to see God in the picture and rely on the doctors instead of God (2 Chr. 16:12). That can happen in regard to any ailment, whether it be an ordinary infection or depression. A spiritual problem also occurs if the doctor advocates a framework of thinking that runs contrary to scripture. When we encounter bad advice, even if it does come from a person trained in his field, we must reject it. Our lives must be patterned according to divine principles, not according to humanistic ones.

Furthermore, our faith must be in God, who is our great hope and who does wonderful things for His servants. For our own good, difficulties will occur in our lives. But in His abundant grace, the Lord will relieve many of these problems now and will ultimately relieve them all, if we are found faithful.

Eagles and Turkeys

Dear Bro. Don,

Greetings in the fellowship of our Lord.

For years, I have appreciated Brother Bob Lloyd’ s “Minute Meditations.” They are always helpful. For the first time, I consider it appropriate to add a cautionary clarification, one missed in the June article.

I, too, have seen the sign, “It is difficult to soar with the eagles when you work with a bunch of turkeys.” This contains an unmistakable element of arrogant superiority, something we should scrupulously avoid. Our separation is by grace. We do not deserve it in the slightest degree.

When, in God’s mercy, “we shall mount up with wings as eagles,” it will not be because we were superior to our fellows. It will be, rather, in spite of the fact that we are, ourselves, in one sense, a bunch of turkeys.

I’m sure Brother Bob will agree. He was concentrating on another aspect of the topic.

Sincerely, your brother,
Silvanus

His Name is Secret

Dear Bro. Don,

Once again, thank you for the magazine. We enjoy every page. I was disappointed to hear you intended to cut your remarks after each letter. I enjoy the remarks as much as the letters. I also like the varying opinions expressed on different subjects. We all agree on the first principles but it is healthy to disagree on some subjects. We are not robots nor should we expect our newer members to be sheltered from other opinions. This is why it is good to have different speakers with different interpretations of various subjects.

I did enjoy Bro. Sommerville’ s remarks on the subject of ecclesial activities. It is so true we area!! very different and should not be judged by our attendance at all activities. Some are more outgoing than others and enjoy large assemblies but it does not make them better people!

Bro. Drepaul had a very good point on God’s Holy Name — m surprised it wasn’t mentioned before! “Why ask thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?” That is surely our answer.

With love in the Lord,
Josephine Thomas, N. Canton, OH

Thank you for your remarks. We will continue to comment on letters but not as regularly as before.

Among the many interesting items raised, there is one which deserves further consideration. The reference to God’s name being “secret” is based on the angel’s words to Manoah, father of Samson (Judges 13:18). The Hebrew word evidently means “wonderful” not “secret” as translated in the KJV. It is rendered “wonderful” in the RV and RSV and Young’s Concordance gives its meaning as “wonderful.” While the specific form of the Hebrew word peli only occurs twice in the Old Testament, two closely related words, pala, pele, occur frequently and are rendered “wonderful” or “marvelous” 73 of 83 times. Pala occurs in Jud. 13:19 where it is rendered “wondrously.”

The related words often refer to God’s saving actions on Israel’s behalf (Neh. 9:17; Psa. 9:1 “thy marvelous works;” 78:4,11,32, etc. Note particularly Judges 6:13 where the word is rendered “miracles” and refers to God’s saving acts during the time of the judges.)

Looking at the context of Judges 13 and the use of the related words, we suggest it was God’s work, not the angel’s name, that is referred to as being “wonderful.” Manoah did not know he conversed with an angel (Jud. 13:16). He wanted to do the messenger honor (v. 15) an honor which the angelic messenger said belonged to God not himself (v.16). The messenger was not impor­tant, the action of God in providing a deliverer (v.5) was the thing to be praised. Manoah does not get the point and persists in wanting to honor the one bringing the message (v.17). The angel remonstrates again: why was Manoah trying to honor him when “it” (the providing of Samson) was a miracle of the Deity? God, who provided the wonder of salvation, should be praised, not the messenger of the news.

10 Kings and the Beast

Dear Bro. Don,

Sincere greeting in the Hope of Is­rael.

Thank you for editing the Tidings…The EEC takes over on January 1, 1993 giving prominence to Revelation 17. The Pope will not dominate the “Holy Roman Empire” this time. The 10 horns of the resurrected beast destroy and burn the harlot with fire. The last few words of Revelation 17:8 may indicate to those whose names are written in the book that Christ will have returned then.

With love in the Truth,
E. & D. H.,UK

We have often puzzled over this section of Revelation. The ten horns and the beast utterly destroy the papacy (Rev. 17:16). In 1870, the Roman church lost temporal power but it has not gone away and seems to be enjoying a revival of influence. Will the Lord yet work through the European powers to destroy the apostate church? Readers’ comments are invited.

The Communal Cup

Dear Brother Don,

Some years ago I was introduced to the use of individual cups in Christadelphia. At that time, I was unaware that this idea went back to the early years of this century. I was appalled, supposing it a sign of growing decadence to be expected at the time of the end.

This practice I had noted among Methodists and Mormons, the latter using water — not wine — in their tray of little paper cups. This was consistent, I be­lieved, with groups which had little regard for the Word or claimed a special revelation on which to base their practice. How we, who seem to understand the significance of the cup, should slip into this practice puzzles me.

To make this short, I have four rea­sons why! object to individual cups:

  1. It is taking license with the gospel. We who argue vehemently against sprinkling as a form of baptism, would readily make this substitution? Are we unaware of the deep significance the cup has throughout scripture? (I Cor. 10:16). Were! to write on the meaning of the cup in scripture, this would cease to be a letter and would become an article.
  2. The individual cups are an apt symbol of our fragmented mentality as a brotherhood. The tendency toward individualism is already too well established. “Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ!” (Eph. 5:21 RSV).
  3. Fear of contamination. This preoccupation strikes me as totally incongruous with the practice of religion based on God consciousness. Our basis as conscientious objectors is founded on the premise that God is alive and can and will protect us according to His purpose. Christians have always hazarded death in the name of faith if such is the will of God.
  4. “The life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me” (Gal2 :20). “What ever does not proceed from faith is sin” (Rom. 14:23).

Regarding the sister’s concern for false brethren, or new believers (who could be carrying AIDS , etc., because of a former life-style), as expressed in the “Tidings:” certainly any bona fide brother would take the cup last if he were aware he, in some way, hazarded the rest of his brethren. That is the law of Christ. Wolves in our midst are something we have to live with until Jesus sorts this out.

Ours is not a country club. It is the crucifixion of the body of Christ. I am not able to “discern the body” of Christ in the practice of individual cups.

Tom Hawksworth, Hopland, CA

Excerpts from other letters: …Hepatitis B is a very serious illness , of a more frequent occurrence than AIDS, and it is passed through the saliva.. .To take one hygienist’s or dentist’s remarks and dismiss the issue based on their conclusions would be unfair to the community. The body should have the prerogative to make its own unbiased decisions…

Regarding AIDS, I am convinced science does not know everything about AIDS that it would like. Therefore it behooves me to take the most supreme precautions when dealing with this virus, or the probability of its existence…

As far as the alcoholic content of the wine being anti-microbial — this argument is archaic.. .(Quoting from a textbook) “Alcohols will not destroy spores or viruses.” If you take a look at the tables enclosed, you will see that the diseases of concern are viruses and spore related…

Bro. Walker’s response to the inquiry regarding the scriptural incumbency of the one cup is very fitting. “There is no (scriptural) law as to the form of drinking the wine, nor as to its chemical composition. And ‘Where no law is there is not transgression’ (Rom. 4:15).”

…It appears that since the cup is an integral part of our communal worship, the cup itself does not have to be communal. The mechanics of the “how” does not seem to be important to God, but the mechanics could be health and lift threatening to us. In this case, I feel that we must reason the issue out by paying close attention to the risks to which we could be subjecting our whole community, especially those in frail health.

(In an accompanying chart, the following diseases were listed as being communicable through the saliva: hepatitis B, herpes, chickenpox, infectious mononucleosis, measles, mumps, polio tuberculosis and staphylococcus relate diseases such as impetigo.) Sis. C.B.

…I am totally for the use of individual cups. C.C. Walker is right to say we are under no proscription to use a common cup. The wine is the issue. The cup is, of course, metonymy for “the wine” …C.C. Walker was wrong in saying it would be impossible to use separate cups in Birmingham, UK. ..(in some meetings) sisters made mesh bags to wash the glass cups in numbers, in hot, soapy water, and dried them as easily…

(Several articles, both pro and con were enclosed.) Sis. J.W.

…It was upsetting to my family and me to read the ignorant letter on the hazards of the communal cup. There have been no documented cases of any­one being infected with HIV through casual contact. HIV must enter into the blood stream in a relatively large dose to infect a person. While HIV is present in saliva, the concentration is minimal and is not enough to infect… Anonymous

…As I read the article regarding the communal cup, it reminded me of an event that happened six months after we were baptized in 1950. My wife spoke to a sister about getting germs from the cup and was told, “Make this the Lord’s cup and I don’t think you will get germs from it.” Bro. C.M.

…When I was on chemotherapy which destroyed white blood cells and lowered my resistance to infections, I used a straw to sip wine from the communal cup. I felt this reduced my exposure to infection in a manner harmonious with the concept of unity that comes from the common cup. Anonymous

…You would think anyone with a dangerous virus that could infect others would make sure they were last to take the cup. Surely anyone who is HIV-positive would do that. Bro. D.S.

The Christadelphians in North America

Reference was made to this book in last month’s magazine. The work is published by The Edwin Mellen Press, Box 450, Lewiston, NY, 14092. Contact the publisher as to availability.

North American Benevolent Fund

(We apologize for the delay in publishing the following letter.)

Dear Bro. Don,

I am responding to your request in the November, 1991 Tidings for feedback on Bro. Otto Stick’ s proposal for a Christadelphian Benevolent Fund.

There is in fact a need, and one vehicle already exists to address that need. The Williams burg Christadelphian Foundation (WCF) was organized 14 years ago with “charitable works” as one of its principal objectives. Relevant to Bro. Sticht;s proposal:

  • — WCF is already operational and has 14 years experience in dealing with charitable needs in the brotherhood on a continental basis.
  • — WCF has gone through the legal procedures and is chartered in the state of Virginia as a non-profit corporation, and obtained U.S. tax exempt status by the IRS.
  • – WCF has a board of directors which ensures an intermix of opinions and is designed to perpetuate itself until the coming of the Lord.

While the ecclesia is the first line of help, experience has shown that there are needs not reached by the ecclesias:

  • — there are situations where there is no local ecclesia.
  • – some situations are delicate and the needy won’t approach their eccle­sia.

Bro. Sticht’ s proposal for a supplementary, extra-ecclesial resource is well advised. The needs very often require a quick response and assurance of confidentiality.

A final point. WCF sometimes has been perceived as an “Unamended” organization, but in fact we work with and are glad to help all Christ’s breth­ren. Since our resources are limited, we are also glad to receive contributions from any source.

The subject of charity can bring forth many emotions, both by those who might be in need, and those being asked for help. There have to be administrative restraints with wisdom and judgment. However, we need no scriptural exposition on our obligations to help those in need, to be merciful and compassionate. Whatsoever we do (or do not do) unto Christ’s brethren, we do (or do not do) to our Lord.

In the Hope of Israel,

Bro. Herman Opitz,
Chairman, Williams burg
Christadelphian Foundation