Names of those Disfellowshipped

Frequently, we receive complaints about including in the Ecclesial News the names of those who have been disfellowshipped.

As with many aspects of ecclesial life, there are pros and cons to this practice. The negative aspects are the danger of wide publicity inhibiting a return to fellowship and pos­sible embarrassment to other parties.

However, as editing the magazine has made obvious, wide publicity can have the useful effect of alerting distant relatives and old friends to someone’s spiritual problems. Help can possibly come from such brethren and sisters, many of whom would be very upset if they did not have the opportunity to offer such assistance. In most cases, the purpose of disfel­lowship is salvation. The hope is that the individual’s experience apart from the ecclesia will make them want to repent and return. If we respond to notifications of disfellowship with the loving intent of ultimate refel­lowship, publicity should help, and not hurt, the individual.

In a minority of situations, other ecclesias need to be protected against unscrupulous individuals. There can be no doubt that, if such is the case, the local ecclesia involved needs to publicize their actions and the rea­sons for them.

In addition, hopefully others will be dissuaded from duplicating the conduct that has led to the disfellow – ship of someone else.

Overall, we feel the present practice is justified.

God and Creation

Dear Bro. Styles:

On reading the articles entitled “God and the Universe,” I am reminded of the observation by Lord Atkin in the judgment of the famous Deeks vs Macmillan, Wells, et. al. case. “After all, neither Miss Deeks nor Mr. (H.G.) Wells was present at the beginning of the world or until a very considerable time later…”

The word science comes from the Latin Scire which meant to know. Speculations concerning the origin of this universe do not fall within the category of science at all for the simple reason that no one knows what happened. Scientists may develop models and equations and theories but not one of them is entitled to declare, I know. Furthermore, there is no universal agreement concerning the theories about the origin of the universe. Many are the critics of Einstein’s and Hoyle’ s models.

Most of man’ s attempts to explain the origin of the universe and living things on this planet are designed to un-God the universe. Einstein clearly revealed his notions in his request that “teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God.” “Science News Letter” Sept. 21, 1940.

The closest that some scientists come to acknowledging God is that He worked by means of evolution and the Big Bang.

The only information we have of knowing facts concerning the formation of the universe and living things on this planet is contained in the Bible. The Big Bang is unknown to the first chapter of Genesis.

Would any layman reading Gen. 1 get the idea that the universe was formed 10 to 20 billion years ago when everything that now exists was compressed into a volume not as large as a speck of smoke? Would he come away with the notion that the sun, moon and stars were formed over a period of billions of years by means of a Big Bang that God engineered from a speck of compressed matter/energy?

On the contrary, Psalm 33 records: “By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.” When the Psalmist says, “When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and stars which thou hast ordained…” would anyone guess that what really happened was a Big Bang billions of years ago from which condensed the heavenly bodies? Concerning the origin of the universe, we are informed that, “God spake, and it was done; He commanded and it stood fast” (Psa. 33:9). This does not sound to me like a prolonged period of “creation” stretching over billions of years!

A growing number of scientists, equipped with the PhD degree, are convinced that the universe is very young rather than very old and that the scenario of evolution concerning the origin of the universe and of living things on this planet is false.

Philologos (E.W.F.)

In his article, Bro. Billelo did not mention evolution. He does not be­lieve in it and has presented forceful studies throughout the community showing the theory of evolution to be rubbish. The point of his series was to demonstrate that the evidence God created the universe is so pervasive that skeptics are forced to acknowledge it whenever they pursue true science. All of the way through his series, the word “theory” is used. “Theory” is not fact, but as man’s theories come closer to fact they come closer to an open recognition of God and His creative hand. We believe Bro. Billelo made this point clear in his essay.

Note, too, the scriptural indications that Genesis 1 does not supply full details on the creative process. “Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place” (Gen. 1:9) involved a process of rearranging the surface of the earth and making shorelines capable of restricting the power of the seas. “Who shut up the sea with doors…and brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors…(who) set the sand for the bound of the sea” (Job 38:8-10; Jer. 5:22). While “God spake, and it was done,” there was evidently a process involved in carrying out His edicts.

So far as the antiquity of the universe is concerned, we favor Bro. Thomas’ approach in Elpis Israel chapter 2: “Let the reader peruse the history of the creation as a revelation to himself as an inhabitant of the earth…To an observer on the earth, this was the order of their (the stars and sun) appearance; and in relation to him a primary creation, though absolutely pre-existent for millions of ages before the Adamic Era.”

A key passage to keep in mind is Deut. 29:29: “The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.”

Abortion

Dear Bro. Styles:

Would you consider publishing my letter regarding abortion which appeared in “The Testimony” August, 1986 or possibly the attached article?

Your sister in Christ
Enesworth “Pixie” McLeod
50035 McLeod Rd.
Langlois, OR 97450

We have published the article under the “Family Life in the Lord” section.

In addition to the points covered by S is. McLeod, some other Bible verses should be noted. Jet 20:17 speaks of the child which dies in the womb as a person. Job 3:16 puts the stillborn child in the same category as one that is born alive but immediately dies (vs.11-12) thereby suggesting the fetus is considered a human being. In Exo. 21:22, the phrase “her fruit depart from her” is rendered by the NIV, “if she gives birth prematurely” thus making it clear a child is born but may be injured or dead due to the miscarriage.

A few years ago, we were not wholly convinced that a strong stand against abortion in the early months of pregnancy was scriptrually supportable. However, additional evidence, both scriptural and scientific, has convinced us of the validity of the position expressed by Sis. McLeod.

Letters to Susan

Dear Brother Don:

Your “Family Life in the Lord” section is a wonderful help for young people and the article to Susan would be useful as a discussion item at CYC .

Your sister in the one hope,
L.W., Toronto, ONT

You may be interested to know that some young people are already using the series as a basis for discussion. The articles were written with that possible use in mind.

Dear Brother Editor:

I have been following the “Family Life in the Lord” series with some interest.

I agree with everything said in the February (1989) issue’s installment about “friends in the world” except the blanket assertion that we cannot have them and hold to the Truth. It was assumed, I think, that all friendships in the world are based merely on common (fleshly) tastes, senses of humor, or entertainments, etc. Nearly all such friendships are based on these, of course, and as such are worse than useless. But, by God’s grace, rare exceptions can occur. I went to high school in peer isolation with two particularly serious, reasonable young men with whom I had a lot in common on a somewhat higher level. Their minds were much like mine, with the exception that I had the Truth of God and they didn’t. I was able to make them understand, as best they could, how important the Truth was to me. While they could never really sharpen me (Prov. 27:17) as could another “called of God,” they were and are my friends. One of them is now earnestly studying the scriptures, thank God.

I realize that I was in an exceptional situation and am not suggesting that everyone could do this. Nor do I know if it would have been different were I a sister. The dangers mentioned in the letter are real enough. But I think my experience is worthy of mention.

I would also disagree that it is possible to “grow to love someone.” I know you will throw the example of Isaac at me (note the sequence of actions in Gen. 24:67) but he was living in a much different culture. In pre-industrial society, marriage was much more of a working affair than it is now; the family unit was necessary to laborious survival. Given such challenging common tasks as a family engaged in daily, husband and wife could grow together much more readily than today with our outrageously high standard of living, where aside from raising children (certainly very important!) the only real reason to marry is for love. Given the practical roles of husband and wife in today’s post-industrial society, it seems to me that an excellent match is necessary to begin with. And, of course, it can only be made by God — certainly none of us is wise enough to find such a match without His blessing.

God bless your work.

With regards in Christ,
Bro. Tom Price
Pittsburgh, PA

Actually, there is no disagreement between us other than in the use of the word “friend.” We have used it in the narrower sense of someone to whom we can open our hearts on the deeper issues of life with assurance that we are at one on them. You are applying the word in a broader sense, using it of those who are amiable acquaintances with whom we can pass pleasant hours.

Your description of the two men with whom you found some compatibility matches the experience of many. As you have intimated, the power and scope of the Truth is such that even though we have much in common in every other way, this one difference is so great that it prevents us from being “friends” in the more complete sense of the word. Eventually, if they do not take hold of the Truth, we will drift apart from even amiable acquaintanceship.

Your point about married couples in today’s society is a true but sad commentary on a situation we must work to avoid. We are to “dwell with” our wives, spending considerable time together as true partners in life, not just sleeping under the same roof with them. If our lifestyle is such that we spend little time together, some changes are in order.

As you have acknowledged, time together will cause love to grow especially where people have the basic compatibility of the Truth and want a marriage to work. The importance of romantic love is overblown in western societies. Too often it fades as quickly as it flourishes. When that happens, if a relationship has no solid elements binding it together, it will quickly disintegrate.

A marriage that begins with less romantic love but a joint commitment to the Truth along with a similarity of tastes, etc. has a much better chance of success, with God’s blessing, than one where the members are madly in love but do not share the Truth.

Our point to Susan was that if you are going to compromise in anything, better it be on the point of romantic love rather than on the element of sharing a love for the Truth.

Dear Brother Don:

Permit me to say, at the outset, that I do not feel you have provided “an answer” for Susan.

You have expressed a philosophy which may not be of much help to Susan, given what I perceive is her present dilemma.

To send young people away to college, or see them relocate for employment purposes, perhaps in isolation, and not expect them to develop friendships with other human beings is not only unrealistic, it is unfair. Worse still, it can be counter productive and may well be far from what the Lord Jesus Christ expects of those whom he entrusts to teach God’s word in these last days.

You say to her, concerning having friends in the world, “you cannot do that and hold to the Truth.” This view pre-supposes a lack of confidence, even faith, on her part — which may not be the case, while, in effect, preventing her from spreading God’s word, which work often requires close or extended personal relationships.

Indeed, we should have “nothing in common” with friends “outside” — unless it is the greatest common denominator offered to men — the opportunity to hear of and learn of God’s way.

I seek no friendships in the world, yet as a business owner for 30 years, I have had many valued and lasting friendships with individuals of varied types, not one of which compromised my covenant relationship in Christ. Rather, some of those people were influenced to search out God’s word for themselves and a few did so.

Interestingly, a review of our ecclesial membership about two years ago revealed the following:

  • of the four examining brethren, none were from Christadelphian fami­lies.
  • of the seven arranging brethren, five came in “from the world,” between the ages of 19 to 28, and three of them were introduced to the Truth by their respective spouses.
  • half of the 14 exhorting brethren “came out and were separate,” the same goes for door keeping brethren.
  • similar comparisons exist with pre­siders and readers.

All of this occurred within a single generation; and possibly none of these servants would have come to a knowledge of the Truth had not some Chris­tadelphian extended the helping hand of friendship, whether through romance or other ways.

Unquestionably, romantic interests offer more potential for difficulty, even entanglement, but they do happen – and they often result in a new brother or sister for which we rejoice. In our family, we have the case of my daughter, who was immersed with her husband, he having come out of the world to a knowledge of God’s Truth. Conversely, my son was able to find his mate within the household.

Yes, as you have said, it is best if young people can date within the brotherhood. However, affairs “of the heart” cannot be programmed, nor should they be arranged or contrived.

Some disastrous Christadelphian marriages have resulted in trying to “learn to love someone” after the untieable knot has been tied.

As you have said “married life can bring enormous problems;” indeed so, and both partners being raised as Christadelphians is no guarantee of happiness regardless of how they start out. What you did not say is that most marital problems in or out of the Truth, originate over sex, money or ambition, often all three, to which may be added anything from substance abuse to inter-family bickering, rivalries or pressures.

Since your book “Family Life in the Lord” was recently the subject for our adult Sunday school class, at which I presided many times, and from which study much was gained by all, I understand completely the concept and purpose of the book, and the ideals expressed therein.

Often family life includes relations with families not in the Lord. Should we turn away from them and fail to offer them Christ’s love, be­cause they are only friends or relatives through marriages of others not in the Lord? I think not.

Having said this, I prayerfully call to your notice that since friendships “in the world” do occur, what is required of us is not to forbid them anymore than we would encourage them; rather, we need to monitor the degree of intensity, duration and circumstance of each individual case, offering instruction as needed, counsel where helpful, to the end that, living our lives in the Lord, we hope that the shining light of God’s truth and Christ’s example will never be “hid under a bushel.”

Your brother in grace,
David 0. Millard
Worcester, MA
Ecclesia of Christadelphians

This letter raises several interesting points clearly demonstrating the usefulness of an open exchange of ideas among the servants of God.

At the heart of the apparent disagreement between Bro. Millard and ourselves is our use of the word “friend” in our letter to Susan. We deliberately used the word in a specific scriptural sense in order to make a point. Congenial acquaintances in the world should not be the same as “friends” in the narrower sense of the word. If they are, it is a warning flag to us that we are drifting from true friendship with Christ. This is particularly true when we are considering someone as our partner for life. In such circumstances, Susan is asking for great difficulty if her acquaintance becomes her “friend” before he becomes “friends with” Christ.

In both Old and New Testaments, words are used in the original languages (Hebrew and Greek) which make the same distinction reflected in our comments to Susan. In the Hebrew, Rea is rendered “friend” 42 times and “neighbor” 104 times thus referring to an acquaintance. Aheb is translated “friend” 12 times and “love” or “lover” 100’s of times and refers to true friendship. In the Greek, Philos is used of the closer relationship and Hatairos of one who is an associate or friend in the broader sense. The only ones spoken of as friends (Philos) of God and Christ are Abraham (Jam. 2:23), John the Baptist (John 3:29), Lazarus (John 11:11) and the disciples (Luke 12:4; John 15:13-15).

There is one other distinction about this word that should be noted: Christ was a “friend (Philos) of” publicans and sinners in the sense that he gave of himself in an effort to save them from sin. However, he was only friends “with” them if they became his disciples and followed his commands.

In like manner, we can be a friend “of” a person in seeking to save them while not being friends “with” them until they share our convictions and standards. In fact, the true disciple will be a kind, courteous, forgiving, gentle, approachable, patient, self-giving person. He will be widely regarded as “friendly.” He will therefore have many opportunities for speaking the Truth to his acquaintances. Many of them may regard him as their friend; but he will not be friends “with” them as long as they are of the world. For them to be his friends, he would have to feel a oneness of purpose and priorities with them which he will not do if he is committed to Christ and they are not. Isolation

Sending our children into isolation to attend school is surely unjustifiable. Even if we live in a remote area, there are plenty of schools near ecclesial centers. Such schools may not have the best curriculum’s in a given discipline but that consideration must be put secondary to the young person’s spiritual welfare.

Moving into isolation for the purpose of employment is hazardous and questionable. Theoretically, it could be a way of opening up a new ecclesial area but in most cases the result is spiritual stagnation or regression. Again, spiritual considerations should be given priority over temporal ones. Ecclesial tendencies

Bro. Millard has introduced some numerical data into the discussion. The percentage of converts sounds impressive but what percentage of Christadelphian young people are being baptized? While many are coming from the world, many potential Chris­tadelphians may be falling away due to alien dating.

Using statistics is always hazardous as we can judge nothing before the time and simply being a Chris­tadelphian does not guarantee we are one of Christ’s. However, our curiosity was aroused and we did a similar count of the two Detroit eccle­sias. Four of 16 arranging brethren are from non-Christadelphian background and all were introduced to the Truth by young sisters whom they later married. About 25% of serving brethren in all capacities did not go to a Christadelphian Sunday school and so came “from the world” in that sense. We suspect the lower percentage reflects a difference in ecclesial attitude.

Great emphasis is placed on no social association with “the world” in Detroit’s youth program. Many brethren and sisters devote much time to providing alternative activities so the young people do not feel cheated in this regard. As a result, in recent years there are even fewer converts coming from dating in the world than was previously the case. What has been the overall effect?

During the last 15 years, 86% of all Christadelphians have been bap­tized. Total membership has risen by 36% and Sunday school membership by 350% during the same time. 22% of the members have come “from the outside” during the last 15 years. Which indicates much preaching has continued. We don’t know if these numbers tell a story or not because we do not know what the comparable figures would be for other ecclesias.

We are a small community. Our social instincts yearn for human companionship. While sympathizing with this need,the greater issue is our eternal fate. Remaining faithful to the end is not easy. Worldly associates can weaken our resolve and lower our standards. “The whole world lieth in wickedness” is the divine appraisal. Therefore we recommend great caution in this matter.

From Puerto Rico

Dear Bro. Don,

Greetings in our common hope!

We commend you and all concerned for the work you have been doing with the “Tidings.”

From time to time, I’ll send some news about what is happening here for you to use if you so choose.

Just for your scorecard, we teach our three school-age children (out of five) at home with “Calvert” and think it is great. Public schools here are very bad.

To Hermano en Christo
Martin Sande
P.O. Box 29535 65th
Infantry Station
Rio Piedras Puerto
Rico, 00929-0535

We would be delighted to receive news from your area. The brethren and sisters continue to express a growing interest in the mission fields.

So far, the “scorecard” regarding home-schooling is more heavily in favor of it than I would ever have imagined. As we travel about, we are being told many instances of local school systems cooperating with home-schoolers. Maybe there are more commendable aspects to home-schooling than we had originally thought.

A Letter to My Sons

Dear Bro. Don & Sis. Ellen,

Loving greetings in our Lord.

Thank you so much for the three copies of your God-directed advice to sons everywhere. Immediately after reading my copy in its entirety, I prepared packets for mailing to two of my relatives, one having four daughters and a son and one having three sons. All of the children are in their teens to late twenties.

No sooner had I mailed the packet when one of them called saying a son was quitting school and was, she feared, in the grasp of bad company. Her youngest daughter has just graduated from high school and has opted to live with her boyfriend. Thus you can see that sin is at work and your timely, seasoned handling of the scrip­tures may well be useful in this.

Just before beginning this letter, I wrote to one of them including some­thing from the May, 1987 “Logos:”

“Where all goes well, where life is smooth,
Where joy and mirth abound,
Where health, and strength, and youth and friends shed constant light around,
There danger lurks, although un
seen, Of losing faith in God…”

God willing, I will see you again here on the Manitoulin. Thank you for the gift of your fatherly experiences, and may sons everywhere take heed.

With brotherly love,
Raymond Snyder
Lakeshore Road
Kagawong, ONT
Canada POP HO

Thank you for your encouraging feedback. While the booklet, “A Letter to my Sons” has sold reasonably well, we thought it would be in greater demand throughout our community. One person indicated that even within the brotherhood, parents dislike being too firm with their chil­dren when it comes to setting standards that run directly against the trends of the day. If such an attitude is prevalent, the booklet will not be popular because it sets forth the standards of godly conduct in uncompromising terms. We must do that today! We are not trying to be popular with our children; we are trying to see them saved despite living in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation.

Apparent Bible Contradictions

Dear Bro. Don,

Greetings in our Lord Jesus.

In John 19:14, Jesus is still before Pilate at the sixth hour while in Mark 15:25 he is on the cross from the third until the ninth hour.

Is there an answer to this evident contradiction?

Yours in Christ,
Sis. J.K., St. Johns

In the first century, several different means were extant for reckoning the beginning and end of a day (see Cambridge Bible notes at John 19:14). In the Jewish system, the night began at 6 P.M. and the day at 6 A.M., one Roman system had the day beginning at sunrise and another, used mainly in Asia Minor, counted hours beginning at midnight and noon (or the same as our system). John evidently uses the last option throughout his gospel.

In John 1:39, for example, the disciples “abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.” By Jewish time, that would be 4 P.M. and their “abiding” would have been for only two hours. By the Asia Minor system, the tenth hour would be 10 A.M. and it would make far better sense to use the word “abode” for it would then cover a period of 8 hours in that one day.

In 4:6, “it was about the sixth hour” when the day’s journey was done, the disciples had gone for some food, and the woman came to draw water. The sixth hour, by Jewish time, would have all of these events happening at mid-day, while the sixth hour, by the Asia Minor time, would have them all occurring at 6 P.M. — a far more likely time of day for such activities.

That John should use a time system oriented to Asia Minor is reasonable; later in his life he evidently lived in Ephesus and his gospel and epistles were written to counter problems plaguing the ecclesias in that area (Background to the Revelation by J.O. Banta, International Standard Bible Encyclopedia article on John, the apostle). In fact, his use of time that would be readily understood by his primary audience is a clear touch of authenticity.

Having this background, the records in Mark and John are seen to harmonize beautifully as the Lord was before Pilate till after 6 A.M. but not on the cross until 9 A.M. This allows time for the cruel mocking of the soldiers (Matt. 27:27-31) and the agonizing trip to Golgotha (Luke 23:26-33).

Dear Bro. Don,

Greetings in the name of Jesus. We have a question regarding I Sam. 16:14-23 — are these verses out of chronological order? In that section, David is called “a mighty valiant man, and a man of war” (16:18), however, he had not fought Goliath yet, was sent from keeping the sheep to the battle, indicating he was still only a shepherd, and Saul calls him “but a youth” unable to go against Goliath ( 17 :15 ,33). Furthermore , in 17 :55 -58 Saul does not know the identity of David’s father while according to 16:19-21 he had already contacted Jesse about David, knew David well and loved him.

Thank you for your help,
A Sister’s class

Relocating these verses is not the answer. Note 17:14-15: “David went and returned from Saul to feed his father’s sheep.” Thus David had been with Saul before the Goliath incident.

Secondly, following victory over the Philistines, David was a military leader not a court musician (18:5,7). The only time the events of 16:14-23 could have occurred was before David became a national hero. Consequently, relocating the text does not help.

The following points should be useful:

  1. The Hebrew word used for “youth” and “young man” (17:33,55,58) can mean people 19-30 years of age (cf. I Sam. 2:17; II Sam. 18:25). The word used for “stripling” (17:56) can indicate a fully grown person (Cam­bridge Bible). When David met Goliath, he was old enough to have been “a man of (some experience in) war.”
  2. “A mighty valiant” person (16:18) can be one who is a warrior, an effective priest (I Chr. 9:13) or a “virtuous” person (Prov 12:4). David was certainly valiant in faith having killed a bear and a lion through the help of God (17:34-37).
  3. After his anointing and before his encounter with Goliath, David had spent time at Samuel’s school of the prophets in Ramah (following 16:13). I Chr. 9:22 is the key here: this verse requires that the plans for worship under David had been thoroughly discussed with Samuel. The only time period available for such activity was before the Goliath incident. After that event, David was absorbed in military leadership and flight from Saul. Therefore, David had spent some weeks or months at Samuel’s school in Ramah.
  4. At the school of the prophets, David’s qualities would become well known among the faithful young men of the area. Furthermore, he would, no doubt, engage in some of the Lord’s battles against Philistine raiding parties. Such practical application of faith would probably be a part of the training Samuel required of his students. It was likely one of the “young men” who knew David from this time in Ramah who overheard Saul’s request and suggested David. To such a faithful young man, David would certainly qualify as “a mighty valiant man, and a man of (some experience in) war.” This still allows for Saul indicating his youth and inexperience when compared to the massive, battle-hardened Goliath.

In regard to Saul’s forgetting David’s parentage, consider the following:

  1. Saul conducted his business with Jesse through messengers (16:19), so he probably never met him.
  2. Saul’s mind was afflicted by the evil spirit from the Lord which could have affected his memory.
  3. He had promised his daughter to whomever slew Goliath(17:25) and now wanted to be certain of David’s parentage for that reason.
  4. He knew someone had been chosen the next king (15:18) and wanted to reconfirm David’s ancestry. Was he of Judah from whence a king would come (Gen. 49:8-10)?
  5. The peculiarity of Saul not knowing is emphasized by scripture thereby intimating to future generations there would be a similar concern about David’s greater son by the Saul’s of his generation: “whose son is he?” (cf. Matt. 13:54-56; John 5:18; 6:42).

A Difficult Passage

Dear Brother Don,
Greetings in Christ.

I find John 6:62 as clearly stating the Lord Jesus was in heaven prior to his birth. Do you have any thoughts about this verse.

Yours in our common hope,
M.B ., Jamaica, W.I.

As in most difficult passages, the key to a right understanding is the language of the Old Testament and the context of the words. The verse reads: “What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?” Before assuming this is a reference to the personal pre-existence of Christ consider the following:

  1. The language (idiom) of ancestry — people are spoken of as being physically located where their ancestors lived even though the individual himself has never been there. Two clear examples are Ex. 13:14-16 and Deut. 6:21-23.

The instructions given in Exo. 13:14 were to be followed by successive generations of Israelites. When a man’s child asked why the firstling of herd animals was dedicated to God, he was to answer as if he personally had been in Egypt: “By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt..when Pharaoh would hardly let us go…” This wording was only literally accurate for those who had physically been taken out in the Exodus, but each generation of Israelite’s was to use the words as if they had actually been in Egypt. This is the language of ancestry — we have been where our ancestors have been.

In Deut. 6:21-23, the vocabulary is even more striking because most of the people Moses addressed had never been in Egypt, they had been born in the wilderness. They were to say to their children: “We were Pharaoh’s bondmen in Egypt; and the LORD brought us out of Egypt … And the LORD shewed signs and wonders …before our eyes and he brought us out from thence.” For hundreds of years, future generations would utter the same words just as if they had been personally in Egypt during the plagues. Again it is the language of ancestry — we have been where our ancestors have been.

And who was the ancestor of Jesus? God, who is in heaven. Jesus had been in heaven in the sense that his ancestor, God his father, was there. He uses the language of ancestry to stress the fact that he was the Son of God. The divine paternity of Jesus is a point frequently emphasized in the gospel of John and is a fact the Jewish opponents of Jesus stubbornly refused to accept (cf. 6:69,42; 1:14; 3:16, etc.).

Isolation Difficult

Dear Brother Don,

Greetings in the Great Hope we share.

We want to express our sincere gratitude for the report in the “Tidings” regarding our situation here in Double springs, Alabama. God willing, it will encourage our brethren and sisters to visit. I never imagined how tough it can be in isolation. But we understand that we should be content in whatever state we are in, as was the apostle Paul. God knows what is best for our spiritual growth. All things are working together for our good.

We are just so thankful that God has opened our eyes to the Truth. Having to deal with so many who worship God without knowing the Truth gives us more reason to rejoice in our trials.

After the write-up in the “Tidings,” the Brooks in Georgia called and, God willing, we will soon enjoy their fellowship.

Jamie and Meletta Lolley join me in love to you all and to all the breth­ren.

With love in Christ,

Christy Lolley
RR 3 , Box 652,
Doublesprings, AL 35553

We are pleased to hear that some response has already resulted from the information published last month. Hopefully, more brethren and sisters will find it possible to spend some time with you.

While ecclesial life has its aggravating moments, there is no doubt that the fellowship of others in the Truth is far superior to living in isolation. We know you are trying to change your situation by actively discussing the Truth with friends and neighbors and we understand you would like to have some lectures in your area.

We well remember a situation in Wichita Falls, Texas where for years there was only one brother, two sisters and three youngsters. They seemed to be getting nowhere in their preaching efforts until finally, after years of persistence, things changed. Several people moved to the area from other ecclesias and there were several baptisms of interested friends. Now, under the blessing of God, there is a thriving ecclesia in that city.

So do not give up! As long as circumstances require you to live in isolation, keep providing the light of the Truth in your area, praying that God will eventually bless your efforts to establish a light stand.

The rest of us should take note of the situation and supply as much help as we can through prayer and personal visits. Perhaps there is even someone who will see this as an opportunity to go into the mission field right here in the States.

May God bless you and keep you in His loving care until our Lord comes.

Fraternal Greetings

Hello Sister Deborah (Sis. Deborah Bruce, Subscriptions Secretary),

Greetings to you and to all of our brethren and sisters in the name of our Lord.

Thank you for sending us the “Tidings.” It keeps us up to date and we particularly enjoy the comments on the daily readings.

Bro. George & Sis. Cath Anglin
4244 NW 98th Way
Sunrise, FL 33351

As a small community scattered across a great continent, we hope the “Tidings” does serve a purpose in binding us closer together as a living family of God.

Prayers Needed

Dear Brother Don,

Greetings in the name of Jesus.

On July 29 , 1988,  I accidentally fell and injured my back. I spent eight days in the hospital and three months in recuperation.

I need the efficacious prayers of you and the brethren that God might help me with my health and financial problems.

Love in the Master’s Name,

Sis. Rosalind Daniels
Elmwood Care Center
Maryville, IL 62062

As Sis. Daniels noted in a subsequent letter, the trials of this life greatly enhance our desire for the kingdom. Surely all creation groans waiting for the redemption of the body of Christ

Comments Appreciated

Dear Brother Don,

Greetings in the Master’s name.

It was encouraging to read your strong support of and good words concerning the BASF. We are thankful to our heavenly Father for that. As a result of your editorial comments, one of this country’s most respected elderly brethren recently wrote: “As for me, and for mine, the BASF stands firmly as a statement of divine truth and the boundary of fellowship.”

More positive affirmations are what our Amended companions are looking for and need in these last perilous times. For this reason, the comments and matters alluded to by Bro. Dan McDonald of the North Industry Ecclesia (“Tidings,” 9-101 88, pgs. 145-146) are apropos and worthy of serious consideration. In like manner, the ecclesial news from Sarasota in the same magazine issue is also worthy of note. Emphasizing the same points is Brother H.P. Mansfield’s article “Peace without honour” (“Logos,” 11/87, pgs. 35­-40).

Your brother in the one hope,

J. Ashley Higham
1823 W. Victor Hts. Dr.
Bloomington, IN 47403

All of us love God and His Word and are grieved by the amazing distortion of the Truth that has beset Christianity since the first century. Our fondest hope is to participate in the glories of the age to come when everyone everywhere will be taught only the Truth.

The fact that now we must draw lines is not a consequence of the love of God or of our desire for exclusiveness but of the stubborn iniquity of men in refusing to believe God’s promises and accept His gracious revelation of Himself and His will.

As we are forced to draw lines between truth and error, we should never lose sight of the fact that it is the teaching of scripture which is vital and the BASF is only useful because it provides an excellent summary of that teaching. This point is well made in the Jersey City Resolution, the document that climaxed a reunion of most Berean Christadel­phians on this continent with the Central fellowship throughout the world.

Clause one of the Jersey City Resolution reads (emphasis added): “That we agree that the doctrines set forth in the BASF are a true exposition of the oracles of God as set forth in the teachings of Jesus Christ and his apostles, and that therefore these doctrines are to be believed and taught by us without reservation; the doctrine of the Scriptures on sin and its effects and God’s salvation from sin and death in Christ Jesus being defined in clauses three to twelve of the statement of faith.”

Sometimes in our conversational short-hand, we substitute “the BASF” for “the doctrines set forth in the BASF.” Over a period of time, this short-speak can lead us to forget that the same doctrines can be articulated in a different selection of words. There can be little doubt that if the BASF were to be written today, the emphasis and vocabulary would differ a little to reflect the issues of our day both within and without the brotherhood.

As far as we are concerned, we believe and teach the doctrines set forth in the BASF without reservation. We say this against the background of having read all of the Christadelphian magazines published in the 1860’s and 1870’s and as one who has looked up all the Bible references which are an integral part of the BASF. We are, therefore, aware of the historical and Biblical context in which the statements are made and for that reason feel we have a grasp of the intent of the BASF. Incidentally, we would commend such an endeavor to every Christadelphian, for the statement of faith, with references, provides an excellent base for instructing anyone in the first principles.

Family Life in the Lord

Dear Brother Don,
Greetings in Jesus’ name,

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for the past year’s subscription. The “Tidings” has been informative and helpful. I pray that, through the blessings of Yahweh, it may be so on an even greater scale in the coming year, should that be His will.

I have a copy of your book “Family Life in the Lord” and have been reading it. I have found very informative and blessed guidance in it. The word of God offers all instruction for life and, when placed appropriately in our writings, becomes our tool and staff while we await Jesus’ return. With five young children, I found your book so helpful.

May God’s blessing be with you and yours as we await His son’s re­turn.

Yours for the mercy of God unto life eternal,

William Leathersich
8669 North Rd
Churchville, NY 14428

Thank you for your comments; they are very encouraging. The cooperation of many brethren and sisters is represented in the family life book so it reflects a cross-section of our community.

Dear Brother Don,

Just a quick note regarding a possible series of articles for the “Tidings” magazine. I have heard

numerous times that Christadelphian standards are too high — “we must keep up with the times in which we live” (which to me means go “down” with the world).

Perhaps someone could write a series showing that God’s standards don’t change over the generations which is why the Bible, although so old, is still so relevant.

Many I have talked with thought your book “Family Life in the Lord” set standards too high and unattainable! I felt they were realistic and with effort could be attained.

May 1989 be the year our Lord re­turns. We need him so badly.

Love in Jesus,
A Concerned Sister

We will certainly keep your request in mind for a series on godly standards. In the meantime, we try to address matters relevant to this topic in the magazine section on family life and in some of the editorials.

Your feedback regarding reactions to the “Family Life” book intrigues me. One of our specific editing objectives was to make sure no practical suggestions were included which had not actually been implemented, in real life, over a period of time. If someone could mention a specific point which they feel is unrealistic, we would be interested to hear from them.

The two points we personally find the most difficult to implement both come from unambiguous scripture passages: making spiritual topics part of everyday conversation (Deut 6:6-7) and imitating the love of Christ in our relations with our partner (Eph. 5:25-30). High standards to be sure, but set by God and not by any human.

One area that we have received a lot of complaints about is our position that parents can raise their children in the Truth if they start early enough and prayerfully follow scriptural guidelines. Our contention is that this is the only reasonable understanding of Prov. 22:6: “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”

Reinforcing our understanding of Proverbs has been our 30-year experience with a specific ecclesial program. During that time, 57 young people have participated in this program, 54 of them are baptized and active in the ecclesia. That is a 95% baptism rate. We recognize being a Christadelphian does not guarantee approval at the judgment seat but it certainly is a step in the right direction. A reasonable amount of parental involvement is required to make the program work, but the demands on time or Bible knowledge are in no way unrealistic.

Consequently, we would like to hear from any who feel the standards set forth in the family life book are not attainable in today’s world. We think they are and would be pleased to help with further practical examples and suggestions if such should be desired.

Home Schooling

“Fathers … bring up (your chil­dren) in the discipline and instruction of the Lord” (Eph. 6:4 RSV).

“Hear, 0 sons, a father’s instruction, and be attentive that you may gain insight; for I give you good precepts: do not forsake my teaching” (Prov. 4:1-2 RSV).

I was greatly distressed after reading Bro. Scott’s letter to the editor in the July-August, 1988 Tidings on the subject of home schooling. As one who has been schooled at home, I find that his views are, in fact, the opposite of mine on this subject. He states quite boldly that home schooling is a “trap … putting at great risk the welfare and social-emotional development of their children.” He further says it is the “wrong means” for shielding our children from the moral pollution of the world. And that it produces “sad results … twisted and warped personalities from attempts to dispense with organized schools.” Can these be the results of loving, prayerful, parental guidance and instruction? I do not think so.

Bro. Scott quotes, “We are ambassadors for Christ” (I Cor. 5:20) and indicates children are being prepared for this role being in public schools: “from an early age, (the child)learns to be ‘not of the world.” I question the idea of a child at the tender age of seven or eight being able to be “not of this world,” or a sojourner in a foreign land.

Yes, parents can guide children in these ways, but a child’s personality is shaped by whomever the child is around. If he is in school all day, he will naturally begin to pick

Regarding the CGAF

Dear Brother Don,

Loving greetings in the name of Christ.

May I comment on Bro. Dan McDonald’ s letter in your most recent issue concerning Christadelphi­ans speaking at Church of God of the Abrahamic Faith functions?

Our ecclesia has recently welcomed into our fellowship a brother who formerly belonged to the CGAF. In this case (as with some others of which I am aware), he was not bap­tized again before admission to fellowship with Christadelphians, be­cause after a lengthy interview our Arranging Brothers determined that he had been baptized initially (some 25 years earlier) with our identical understanding of the first principles. My visits amongst the CGAF members have proven to me that this is by no means exceptional: the same could be said of many others of their members. There are undoubtedly some in the CGAF who believe that the righteous “shall be raised incorruptible” (I Cor.15:52), though what precisely they mean by this admittedly Scriptural phrase (and whether their ideas should be considered fundamental error) is open to some difference of opinion. But it also has become plain to me that what we call “immortal emergence” is not consistently treated by their community as a first principle. Nor is it believed at all, in any form, by quite a few of their members—members who have read and believed Christadelphian writings on the subject for years.

In our new brother’s case, the fact that I had visited with, and was well-known to, CGAF members was the only reason we came to learn about him, and he about us. He had been in “isolation” in Texas for many years, and was strongly encouraged by his friends in the CGAF to join our eccle­sia, when they learned of that possibility.

In the previous paragraphs, I have hesitated to write “CGAF brethren,” but I wonder: Should I hesitate? Do we not (almost without exception) refer to other Christadelphians as “brethren” — even if they belong to ecclesias that do not subscribe to our exact statement of faith? As you stated in your most recent editorial:

“We have summarized right Bible teaching in our statement of faith. The teachings contained therein are God’s, but the form of presentation and summary phrases are not His, but ours.”

In other words, the BASF is (as others have expressed it) “a man made document,” and thus by definition something less than perfect. Although we believe it outlines the saving truth of the gospel, we do not believe it is the only possible (or even the best possible) expression of those truths. I would suppose that almost all of us would agree in principle that there are true brethren of Christ who do not belong to BASF ecclesias, and that there are even true brethren of Christ who do not wear the label “Christadelphian.”

The question is: Should we really “fear the impact on the next generation’s perceptions” by what amounts to no more than an acknowledgement that we — the “Amended” fellowship—are not the only people on the face of the earth with the hope of salvation?

Assuming that at least some in another “organization” (like CGAF) may receive Christ’s approval when  he returns, then what is the proper way for us to treat them (the individuals in question and the organization) now? I am by no means sure I have the complete answer to this last question, but I do believe it deserves more thought than we as a community seem to have given it.

If we knew with absolute certainty that “Amended” ecclesias were the only places where the hope of salvation exists today, then we could paraphrase the words of Jesus (on one occasion), “He that is not with us is (most definitely) against us” (see Mt. 12:30), and we could give those words universal application. But we do not  know such a thing, so should we not at least consider the possibility that the proper reaction is, in some few cases at least, the words of Jesus on another occasion: “He that is not against us is for us” (see Mk. 9:40)?

I should state here , for the record, that I know of no individuals in any non-Christadelphian “organization” other than CGAF who —in my opinion — believe the truth of the gospel. Normal suggesting that such believers exist anywhere else in any significant numbers. Nor am I advocating anything like an “open fellowship” without regard to the doctrinal principles of which the BASF is a true statement.

In one of his “judgment” parables, Jesus teaches that a major criterion of the final judgment will be what we do (or do not do) for one of the least of “my brethren” (Mt. 25:40,45). (Notice that he does not say “your brethren.”) This suggests to me that it is more than a matter of theoretical interest as to who those brethren of Christ are (or even might be). We may not be able to prove absolutely that certain “borderline” folks (CGAF?) really merit the title “brethren of Christ.” Nevertheless, the parable of Mt. 25 suggests that we would do well to give serious thought as to how we treat them in any case!

Yours in the one Hope
(regardless of the label we put on it)
George Booker

The above letter raises issues that give opportunity for our editorial comment.

The CGAF

We now have in possession the statement of faith of the Salem conference of the CGAF and a first principle lesson on the resurrection of the dead distributed by the Cleveland, Ohio based Church of the Blessed Hope (a grouping of the CGAF). There is also an Oregon Conference of the CGAF and there may be others of which we are not aware. The Oregon conference is astray on a number of major issues (the devil, present possession of Holy Spirit Gifts and others) and, to our knowledge, does not invite Christadelphian speakers. Therefore the information sent to us represents teaching of the two groups considered closest to ourselves.

In both instances, they set forth immortal emergence as a first principle of Bible truth. Both use the identical wording: “The righteous are those who have learned, believed and obeyed the gospel. They come forth at the resurrection invested with immortality.”

In regard to the unjust, both state as a first principle that: “They come forth at the resurrection and, in company with the wicked who are alive at the time, are: cast into hell (verses indicating that by ‘hell’ is meant eternal death in the grave): where they are consigned to death with attendant circumstances of shame and suffering” (verses speaking generally of the destruction of the wicked).

While the description of the punishment of the wicked avoids any reference to the judgment seat, it is closer to the truth than we had previously understood.

Neither the CGAF nor Chris­tadelphians consider the appearance of the just before the judgment seat of Christ an incidental matter. The CGAF specifically deny it; we specifically affirm it. If there are CGAF members who disagree with their own teaching, they should work for a correction to their statement of faith. Failing to achieve such a change, they should leave and, if so disposed, seek association with ourselves.

An interesting experience would be to give a public lecture for the CGAF on resurrection and judgment which sets forth the Truth in clear terms. We wonder if the Christadel­phian doing so would be asked back to speak on that subject.

In reading through the CGAF statement of faith, we were struck by several points in addition to the immortal emergence issue. The section regarding the atonement was very short, incomplete and worded in a manner suggesting substitutionary ideas about the sacrifice of Christ. No reference was made to marriage with an unbeliever, serving in the armed forces or taking part in politics. We can not help but feel further problems are thereby indicated.

Christadelphians – the only ones?

Recent experiences in Korea and Jamaica reinforce the point that there are non-Christadelphians who have an understanding of the Truth. Our position is that we are not aware of any other community whose “official” position accords with the full range of first principles. But there may be groups and there may be individuals who hold the Truth with whom we have no contact. When contact is made, however, our consistent practice as a community has been to welcome the discovery with joy and gladness. We do not claim a monopoly on the truth of God.

In discussions regarding the CGAF, however, this issue is a red herring for it simply distracts from the real doctrinal issue(s) that separate us. Why not supply them at every opportunity with clear, sound instruction in the area(s) where their understanding is weak?

The BASF

Our editorial comments last issue related to expressing in different words the identical doctrines as are currently articulated in the BASF. Our comments had nothing to do with the CGAF matter, which deals with an issue upon which their statement of faith is diametrically opposed to our own.

So far as I can see, the major human weakness in the BASF is its poorly phrased definition of the inspired Scriptures and its omission of some doctrines to be rejected such as mariolatry and demon possession.

For many generations, the BASF has proven adequate and workable; that is no mean accomplishment! The same results could theoretically be achieved with different words, that is true, but so far it has not been. In discussing the BASF, none of us should lose sight of how good it is and how well it has served our needs.

20th Century Providence

Dear Brother Don:

Sometime ago I was working with the late Brother Ron Abel collecting interesting accounts from brethren and sisters as to how they came to hear of the truth and accept it. The main idea is that the accounts would be put together in a book dealing with twentieth century ways of providence. We now have a number in our possession and make the appeal at this time for those who previously sent articles to contact us again. If there are any other interesting stories, we would be pleased to receive them. They may be written or tape-recorded.

Bro. Horace Macpherson 1917 San Fernando Place Victoria, BC, Canada V8N 2G2

Christadelphian Youth Exchange

For many young people, the world is becoming a smaller place as travel is becoming increasingly common. Have you ever thought of the benefit of travelling not only to sight see but also meeting other young people who share the same faith and worship the same God? Schools sometimes arrange exchange visits whereby a young person from England visits overseas with a family who has someone of a similar age who then visits the English family at a later date. Have you ever thought how much better this would be if it were with a Christadelphian family?

The idea has been suggested of having a Christadelphian Youth Exchange – in particular between England and the USA or Canada. A register would be maintained of those wishing to exchange visits and families put in touch where appropriate. It would be expected that the visit would, in the case of one to North America, include a week at one of the Bible schools or Truth Corps work and attendance at ecclesial activities. For those coming to England, it would include at least one week at Bible school, a campaign or youth camp and ecclesial activities.

If you think you might be interested in experiencing the wider Christadelphian world, then write to the address below for a questionnaire to enable us to evaluate the interest in this idea.

Mark Buckler Donisthorpe
Hall Donisthorpe, Burton
on Trent England, DE12 7PZ

Today’s Morals

I have been following the items in the “Tidings” on pornography. Some wrote about brethren reading Playboy and such magazines.

Brethren, let us not delude our­selves; you do not have to buy Playboy to read about pornography. We live in a world where pornography surrounds us in the office, in the factory, at work and at play.

Let us not try to pretend it is not there; let us not try to compromise. We know what happened in the United Church of Canada recently. Let it not happen to us; we must stand up and shine forth. Or, as Paul puts it in Ephesians 6, put on the whole armour of God and go forth and be not afraid.

Let us lead our children and young people in the right way so that they will not become tainted or desire to be part of the evil.

May the elder brethren among us give to young brethren and sisters the wealth of our experience in our long walk toward the kingdom and show them the pitfalls. Let us exhort them so that in God’s mercy, they may with us receive that crown of glory which fadeth not away.

“Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things” (Phil 4:8).

All my love in Christ our Lord to all brethren and sisters worldwide.

Bro. J.S. Battersby
Kitchener-Waterloo, ONT