Names of those Disfellowshipped
Frequently, we receive complaints about including in the Ecclesial News the names of those who have been disfellowshipped.
As with many aspects of ecclesial life, there are pros and cons to this practice. The negative aspects are the danger of wide publicity inhibiting a return to fellowship and possible embarrassment to other parties.
However, as editing the magazine has made obvious, wide publicity can have the useful effect of alerting distant relatives and old friends to someone’s spiritual problems. Help can possibly come from such brethren and sisters, many of whom would be very upset if they did not have the opportunity to offer such assistance. In most cases, the purpose of disfellowship is salvation. The hope is that the individual’s experience apart from the ecclesia will make them want to repent and return. If we respond to notifications of disfellowship with the loving intent of ultimate refellowship, publicity should help, and not hurt, the individual.
In a minority of situations, other ecclesias need to be protected against unscrupulous individuals. There can be no doubt that, if such is the case, the local ecclesia involved needs to publicize their actions and the reasons for them.
In addition, hopefully others will be dissuaded from duplicating the conduct that has led to the disfellow – ship of someone else.
Overall, we feel the present practice is justified.
God and Creation
Dear Bro. Styles:
On reading the articles entitled “God and the Universe,” I am reminded of the observation by Lord Atkin in the judgment of the famous Deeks vs Macmillan, Wells, et. al. case. “After all, neither Miss Deeks nor Mr. (H.G.) Wells was present at the beginning of the world or until a very considerable time later…”
The word science comes from the Latin Scire which meant to know. Speculations concerning the origin of this universe do not fall within the category of science at all for the simple reason that no one knows what happened. Scientists may develop models and equations and theories but not one of them is entitled to declare, I know. Furthermore, there is no universal agreement concerning the theories about the origin of the universe. Many are the critics of Einstein’s and Hoyle’ s models.
Most of man’ s attempts to explain the origin of the universe and living things on this planet are designed to un-God the universe. Einstein clearly revealed his notions in his request that “teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God.” “Science News Letter” Sept. 21, 1940.
The closest that some scientists come to acknowledging God is that He worked by means of evolution and the Big Bang.
The only information we have of knowing facts concerning the formation of the universe and living things on this planet is contained in the Bible. The Big Bang is unknown to the first chapter of Genesis.
Would any layman reading Gen. 1 get the idea that the universe was formed 10 to 20 billion years ago when everything that now exists was compressed into a volume not as large as a speck of smoke? Would he come away with the notion that the sun, moon and stars were formed over a period of billions of years by means of a Big Bang that God engineered from a speck of compressed matter/energy?
On the contrary, Psalm 33 records: “By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.” When the Psalmist says, “When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and stars which thou hast ordained…” would anyone guess that what really happened was a Big Bang billions of years ago from which condensed the heavenly bodies? Concerning the origin of the universe, we are informed that, “God spake, and it was done; He commanded and it stood fast” (Psa. 33:9). This does not sound to me like a prolonged period of “creation” stretching over billions of years!
A growing number of scientists, equipped with the PhD degree, are convinced that the universe is very young rather than very old and that the scenario of evolution concerning the origin of the universe and of living things on this planet is false.
Philologos (E.W.F.)
In his article, Bro. Billelo did not mention evolution. He does not believe in it and has presented forceful studies throughout the community showing the theory of evolution to be rubbish. The point of his series was to demonstrate that the evidence God created the universe is so pervasive that skeptics are forced to acknowledge it whenever they pursue true science. All of the way through his series, the word “theory” is used. “Theory” is not fact, but as man’s theories come closer to fact they come closer to an open recognition of God and His creative hand. We believe Bro. Billelo made this point clear in his essay.
Note, too, the scriptural indications that Genesis 1 does not supply full details on the creative process. “Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place” (Gen. 1:9) involved a process of rearranging the surface of the earth and making shorelines capable of restricting the power of the seas. “Who shut up the sea with doors…and brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors…(who) set the sand for the bound of the sea” (Job 38:8-10; Jer. 5:22). While “God spake, and it was done,” there was evidently a process involved in carrying out His edicts.
So far as the antiquity of the universe is concerned, we favor Bro. Thomas’ approach in Elpis Israel chapter 2: “Let the reader peruse the history of the creation as a revelation to himself as an inhabitant of the earth…To an observer on the earth, this was the order of their (the stars and sun) appearance; and in relation to him a primary creation, though absolutely pre-existent for millions of ages before the Adamic Era.”
A key passage to keep in mind is Deut. 29:29: “The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.”
Abortion
Dear Bro. Styles:
Would you consider publishing my letter regarding abortion which appeared in “The Testimony” August, 1986 or possibly the attached article?
Your sister in Christ
Enesworth “Pixie” McLeod
50035 McLeod Rd.
Langlois, OR 97450
We have published the article under the “Family Life in the Lord” section.
In addition to the points covered by S is. McLeod, some other Bible verses should be noted. Jet 20:17 speaks of the child which dies in the womb as a person. Job 3:16 puts the stillborn child in the same category as one that is born alive but immediately dies (vs.11-12) thereby suggesting the fetus is considered a human being. In Exo. 21:22, the phrase “her fruit depart from her” is rendered by the NIV, “if she gives birth prematurely” thus making it clear a child is born but may be injured or dead due to the miscarriage.
A few years ago, we were not wholly convinced that a strong stand against abortion in the early months of pregnancy was scriptrually supportable. However, additional evidence, both scriptural and scientific, has convinced us of the validity of the position expressed by Sis. McLeod.
Letters to Susan
Dear Brother Don:
Your “Family Life in the Lord” section is a wonderful help for young people and the article to Susan would be useful as a discussion item at CYC .
Your sister in the one hope,
L.W., Toronto, ONT
You may be interested to know that some young people are already using the series as a basis for discussion. The articles were written with that possible use in mind.
Dear Brother Editor:
I have been following the “Family Life in the Lord” series with some interest.
I agree with everything said in the February (1989) issue’s installment about “friends in the world” except the blanket assertion that we cannot have them and hold to the Truth. It was assumed, I think, that all friendships in the world are based merely on common (fleshly) tastes, senses of humor, or entertainments, etc. Nearly all such friendships are based on these, of course, and as such are worse than useless. But, by God’s grace, rare exceptions can occur. I went to high school in peer isolation with two particularly serious, reasonable young men with whom I had a lot in common on a somewhat higher level. Their minds were much like mine, with the exception that I had the Truth of God and they didn’t. I was able to make them understand, as best they could, how important the Truth was to me. While they could never really sharpen me (Prov. 27:17) as could another “called of God,” they were and are my friends. One of them is now earnestly studying the scriptures, thank God.
I realize that I was in an exceptional situation and am not suggesting that everyone could do this. Nor do I know if it would have been different were I a sister. The dangers mentioned in the letter are real enough. But I think my experience is worthy of mention.
I would also disagree that it is possible to “grow to love someone.” I know you will throw the example of Isaac at me (note the sequence of actions in Gen. 24:67) but he was living in a much different culture. In pre-industrial society, marriage was much more of a working affair than it is now; the family unit was necessary to laborious survival. Given such challenging common tasks as a family engaged in daily, husband and wife could grow together much more readily than today with our outrageously high standard of living, where aside from raising children (certainly very important!) the only real reason to marry is for love. Given the practical roles of husband and wife in today’s post-industrial society, it seems to me that an excellent match is necessary to begin with. And, of course, it can only be made by God — certainly none of us is wise enough to find such a match without His blessing.
God bless your work.
With regards in Christ,
Bro. Tom Price
Pittsburgh, PA
Actually, there is no disagreement between us other than in the use of the word “friend.” We have used it in the narrower sense of someone to whom we can open our hearts on the deeper issues of life with assurance that we are at one on them. You are applying the word in a broader sense, using it of those who are amiable acquaintances with whom we can pass pleasant hours.
Your description of the two men with whom you found some compatibility matches the experience of many. As you have intimated, the power and scope of the Truth is such that even though we have much in common in every other way, this one difference is so great that it prevents us from being “friends” in the more complete sense of the word. Eventually, if they do not take hold of the Truth, we will drift apart from even amiable acquaintanceship.
Your point about married couples in today’s society is a true but sad commentary on a situation we must work to avoid. We are to “dwell with” our wives, spending considerable time together as true partners in life, not just sleeping under the same roof with them. If our lifestyle is such that we spend little time together, some changes are in order.
As you have acknowledged, time together will cause love to grow especially where people have the basic compatibility of the Truth and want a marriage to work. The importance of romantic love is overblown in western societies. Too often it fades as quickly as it flourishes. When that happens, if a relationship has no solid elements binding it together, it will quickly disintegrate.
A marriage that begins with less romantic love but a joint commitment to the Truth along with a similarity of tastes, etc. has a much better chance of success, with God’s blessing, than one where the members are madly in love but do not share the Truth.
Our point to Susan was that if you are going to compromise in anything, better it be on the point of romantic love rather than on the element of sharing a love for the Truth.
Dear Brother Don:
Permit me to say, at the outset, that I do not feel you have provided “an answer” for Susan.
You have expressed a philosophy which may not be of much help to Susan, given what I perceive is her present dilemma.
To send young people away to college, or see them relocate for employment purposes, perhaps in isolation, and not expect them to develop friendships with other human beings is not only unrealistic, it is unfair. Worse still, it can be counter productive and may well be far from what the Lord Jesus Christ expects of those whom he entrusts to teach God’s word in these last days.
You say to her, concerning having friends in the world, “you cannot do that and hold to the Truth.” This view pre-supposes a lack of confidence, even faith, on her part — which may not be the case, while, in effect, preventing her from spreading God’s word, which work often requires close or extended personal relationships.
Indeed, we should have “nothing in common” with friends “outside” — unless it is the greatest common denominator offered to men — the opportunity to hear of and learn of God’s way.
I seek no friendships in the world, yet as a business owner for 30 years, I have had many valued and lasting friendships with individuals of varied types, not one of which compromised my covenant relationship in Christ. Rather, some of those people were influenced to search out God’s word for themselves and a few did so.
Interestingly, a review of our ecclesial membership about two years ago revealed the following:
- of the four examining brethren, none were from Christadelphian families.
- of the seven arranging brethren, five came in “from the world,” between the ages of 19 to 28, and three of them were introduced to the Truth by their respective spouses.
- half of the 14 exhorting brethren “came out and were separate,” the same goes for door keeping brethren.
- similar comparisons exist with presiders and readers.
All of this occurred within a single generation; and possibly none of these servants would have come to a knowledge of the Truth had not some Christadelphian extended the helping hand of friendship, whether through romance or other ways.
Unquestionably, romantic interests offer more potential for difficulty, even entanglement, but they do happen – and they often result in a new brother or sister for which we rejoice. In our family, we have the case of my daughter, who was immersed with her husband, he having come out of the world to a knowledge of God’s Truth. Conversely, my son was able to find his mate within the household.
Yes, as you have said, it is best if young people can date within the brotherhood. However, affairs “of the heart” cannot be programmed, nor should they be arranged or contrived.
Some disastrous Christadelphian marriages have resulted in trying to “learn to love someone” after the untieable knot has been tied.
As you have said “married life can bring enormous problems;” indeed so, and both partners being raised as Christadelphians is no guarantee of happiness regardless of how they start out. What you did not say is that most marital problems in or out of the Truth, originate over sex, money or ambition, often all three, to which may be added anything from substance abuse to inter-family bickering, rivalries or pressures.
Since your book “Family Life in the Lord” was recently the subject for our adult Sunday school class, at which I presided many times, and from which study much was gained by all, I understand completely the concept and purpose of the book, and the ideals expressed therein.
Often family life includes relations with families not in the Lord. Should we turn away from them and fail to offer them Christ’s love, because they are only friends or relatives through marriages of others not in the Lord? I think not.
Having said this, I prayerfully call to your notice that since friendships “in the world” do occur, what is required of us is not to forbid them anymore than we would encourage them; rather, we need to monitor the degree of intensity, duration and circumstance of each individual case, offering instruction as needed, counsel where helpful, to the end that, living our lives in the Lord, we hope that the shining light of God’s truth and Christ’s example will never be “hid under a bushel.”
Your brother in grace,
David 0. Millard
Worcester, MA
Ecclesia of Christadelphians
This letter raises several interesting points clearly demonstrating the usefulness of an open exchange of ideas among the servants of God.
At the heart of the apparent disagreement between Bro. Millard and ourselves is our use of the word “friend” in our letter to Susan. We deliberately used the word in a specific scriptural sense in order to make a point. Congenial acquaintances in the world should not be the same as “friends” in the narrower sense of the word. If they are, it is a warning flag to us that we are drifting from true friendship with Christ. This is particularly true when we are considering someone as our partner for life. In such circumstances, Susan is asking for great difficulty if her acquaintance becomes her “friend” before he becomes “friends with” Christ.
In both Old and New Testaments, words are used in the original languages (Hebrew and Greek) which make the same distinction reflected in our comments to Susan. In the Hebrew, Rea is rendered “friend” 42 times and “neighbor” 104 times thus referring to an acquaintance. Aheb is translated “friend” 12 times and “love” or “lover” 100’s of times and refers to true friendship. In the Greek, Philos is used of the closer relationship and Hatairos of one who is an associate or friend in the broader sense. The only ones spoken of as friends (Philos) of God and Christ are Abraham (Jam. 2:23), John the Baptist (John 3:29), Lazarus (John 11:11) and the disciples (Luke 12:4; John 15:13-15).
There is one other distinction about this word that should be noted: Christ was a “friend (Philos) of” publicans and sinners in the sense that he gave of himself in an effort to save them from sin. However, he was only friends “with” them if they became his disciples and followed his commands.
In like manner, we can be a friend “of” a person in seeking to save them while not being friends “with” them until they share our convictions and standards. In fact, the true disciple will be a kind, courteous, forgiving, gentle, approachable, patient, self-giving person. He will be widely regarded as “friendly.” He will therefore have many opportunities for speaking the Truth to his acquaintances. Many of them may regard him as their friend; but he will not be friends “with” them as long as they are of the world. For them to be his friends, he would have to feel a oneness of purpose and priorities with them which he will not do if he is committed to Christ and they are not. Isolation
Sending our children into isolation to attend school is surely unjustifiable. Even if we live in a remote area, there are plenty of schools near ecclesial centers. Such schools may not have the best curriculum’s in a given discipline but that consideration must be put secondary to the young person’s spiritual welfare.
Moving into isolation for the purpose of employment is hazardous and questionable. Theoretically, it could be a way of opening up a new ecclesial area but in most cases the result is spiritual stagnation or regression. Again, spiritual considerations should be given priority over temporal ones. Ecclesial tendencies
Bro. Millard has introduced some numerical data into the discussion. The percentage of converts sounds impressive but what percentage of Christadelphian young people are being baptized? While many are coming from the world, many potential Christadelphians may be falling away due to alien dating.
Using statistics is always hazardous as we can judge nothing before the time and simply being a Christadelphian does not guarantee we are one of Christ’s. However, our curiosity was aroused and we did a similar count of the two Detroit ecclesias. Four of 16 arranging brethren are from non-Christadelphian background and all were introduced to the Truth by young sisters whom they later married. About 25% of serving brethren in all capacities did not go to a Christadelphian Sunday school and so came “from the world” in that sense. We suspect the lower percentage reflects a difference in ecclesial attitude.
Great emphasis is placed on no social association with “the world” in Detroit’s youth program. Many brethren and sisters devote much time to providing alternative activities so the young people do not feel cheated in this regard. As a result, in recent years there are even fewer converts coming from dating in the world than was previously the case. What has been the overall effect?
During the last 15 years, 86% of all Christadelphians have been baptized. Total membership has risen by 36% and Sunday school membership by 350% during the same time. 22% of the members have come “from the outside” during the last 15 years. Which indicates much preaching has continued. We don’t know if these numbers tell a story or not because we do not know what the comparable figures would be for other ecclesias.
We are a small community. Our social instincts yearn for human companionship. While sympathizing with this need,the greater issue is our eternal fate. Remaining faithful to the end is not easy. Worldly associates can weaken our resolve and lower our standards. “The whole world lieth in wickedness” is the divine appraisal. Therefore we recommend great caution in this matter.